E-bikes are a thing

[Ironjunk]

I don't see a market where super light ebikes augment an already fit rider. I would like to think anyone riding an ebike would like something than can pull over 500 watts rather than something light that can do under that. Output is relative to copper mass and amount of cells, anything light is going to be weak until a new battery technology comes out.

My bike can do 1kw peak and weighs 45lbs and it feels pretty light and nimble enough.

Take someone 155lbs, already fit, a 250w motor and 36v battery, short of some short term injury issue, just ride a normal bike? Save the hassle of an extra bike. Plus your strava segments are nullified what could be worse?

My point is there are times when you want to ride a normal bike and there are times when you want to ride an ebike. Not saying a light ebike has to be anemic but it probably would with current tech.

And plus the thought of using high tier components to take weight off your ebike is like putting a carbon fiber hood on your minivan to save gas.

 

[mattybfat]

9 out of 10 transfers of mtb》emtb usually end up going with mid power and the bike industries know that, hence the flood of mid power. If you take a look on pros closet for say a orbea rise you'll find no less then 30 available. Those folks got a taste and jumped to full power, I know I am one of them. I'm here to save you that step. Just Buy Full Power!!!

 

[Ejd]

I don't see a market where super light ebikes augment an already fit rider. I would like to think anyone riding an ebike would like something than can pull over 500 watts rather than something light that can do under that. Output is relative to copper mass and amount of cells, anything light is going to be weak until a new battery technology comes out.

My bike can do 1kw peak and weighs 45lbs and it feels pretty light and nimble enough.

Take someone 155lbs, already fit, a 250w motor and 36v battery, short of some short term injury issue, just ride a normal bike? Save the hassle of an extra bike. Plus your strava segments are nullified what could be worse?

My point is there are times when you want to ride a normal bike and there are times when you want to ride an ebike. Not saying a light ebike has to be anemic but it probably would with current tech.

And plus the thought of using high tier components to take weight off your ebike is like putting a carbon fiber hood on your minivan to save gas.

Minivan! Minivan!🤪

 

[Santapez]

I don't see a market where super light ebikes augment an already fit rider. I would like to think anyone riding an ebike would like something than can pull over 500 watts rather than something light that can do under that. Output is relative to copper mass and amount of cells, anything light is going to be weak until a new battery technology comes out.

My bike can do 1kw peak and weighs 45lbs and it feels pretty light and nimble enough.

Take someone 155lbs, already fit, a 250w motor and 36v battery, short of some short term injury issue, just ride a normal bike? Save the hassle of an extra bike. Plus your strava segments are nullified what could be worse?

My point is there are times when you want to ride a normal bike and there are times when you want to ride an ebike. Not saying a light ebike has to be anemic but it probably would with current tech.

And plus the thought of using high tier components to take weight off your ebike is like putting a carbon fiber hood on your minivan to save gas.

What about the people that have injuries/older?

You can be a fit person but find yourself just needing that extra bit of power on sustained climbs or technical climbs.

If I hit an older age and had injuries or loss of muscle I can see wanting to ride the way I do now, and that may mean a lightweight and not very powerful e-bike, just one that can make up the difference.

 

[mfennell]

As the oldest rider in my group (how the hell did that happen?), that's the use case I had in mind for me some day. +50W (hell, even 25) would make the difference between falling off and hanging in the woods. On the road, I just fall off. 🙂

 

[Bike N Gear]

What about the people that have injuries/older?

You can be a fit person but find yourself just needing that extra bit of power on sustained climbs or technical climbs.

If I hit an older age and had injuries or loss of muscle I can see wanting to ride the way I do now, and that may mean a lightweight and not very powerful e-bike, just one that can make up the difference.

Full power is the way. You can always use less power if you prefer. I chased @Kirt around CR yesterday for 2 hours. Not once did I wish I had half the power or weight to keep up. He would have dropped me on the first climb up yellow.

 

[rick81721]

Full power is the way. You can always use less power if you prefer. I chased @Kirt around CR yesterday for 2 hours. Not once did I wish I had half the power or weight to keep up. He would have dropped me on the first climb up yellow.

What is the definition of "full power"? Are the Trek Fuel EXe, Orbea Rise and Pivot Shuttle full power?

 

[JerseyPete]

What is the definition of "full power"? Are the Trek Fuel EXe, Orbea Rise and Pivot Shuttle full power?

I thought those were mid power, and the Trek Rail and Orbea Wild were full power.

 

[tonyride]

What is the definition of "full power"? Are the Trek Fuel EXe, Orbea Rise and Pivot Shuttle full power?

Full power is usually around 85+ nm of torque. Mid power is around 65 nm. The Rise is mid at 65 nm max (detuned via software) but you can tune that with the app. I think the Fuel EXe is a bit lower at 50 nm. I'm not sure about the Shuttle but since it uses the Shimano EP8 motor I suspect it's at 85 nm. Therefore, the Rise and the Fuel EXe would be mid power and the Shuttle is full if I'm right about the Shuttle.

 

[rick81721]

Full power is usually around 85+ nm of torque. Mid power is around 65 nm. The Rise is mid at 65 nm max (detuned via software) but you can tune that with the app. I think the Fuel EXe is a bit lower at 50 nm. I'm not sure about the Shuttle but since it uses the Shimano EP8 motor I suspect it's at 85 nm. Therefore, the Rise and the Fuel EXe would be mid power and the Shuttle is full if I'm right about the Shuttle.

I was looking at an article comparing lightweight eMTBs and they were all listed. So lightweight and power are not entirely mutually exclusive.

 

[tonyride]

I was looking at an article comparing lightweight eMTBs and they were all listed. So lightweight and power are not entirely mutually exclusive.

There is some correlation between weight and power. The heaviest part of the eMTB equation is the battery pack. If you want full power and a reasonable amount of range then you'll need more juice which equals a bigger battery pack resulting in a heavier bike. With a detuned or lower power motor you don't need as much juice for similar range so you can get by with a smaller battery pack which will save weight.

 

[JerseyPete]

I think the Trek Fuel exe was about 42 pounds and the Rail was 52 pounds. The Rail had more power and longer range. What Tonyride said is true.

 

[Ironjunk]

As the oldest rider in my group (how the hell did that happen?), that's the use case I had in mind for me some day. +50W (hell, even 25) would make the difference between falling off and hanging in the woods. On the road, I just fall off. 🙂

Imagine that bike weighs 8lbs more with enough pulling force of a rubber band. Would you still bother?

 

[mtn]

I'd be happy if my Meta was 10 lbs lighter. 55 lbs is heavy for a 150/130mm bike and does hinder hike a bike.

 

[mattybfat]

Shuttle sl uses the fazua like trek exe.
New shuttle LT now uses bosch another manufacturer that switched over this year.
Look at jdogs new shuttle.

The bosch is right now so much better and folks know that and the bike industry shows that.

Santa Cruz better jump on board.

People are already squeaking that bafang 510 is better then the ep8.

Brose is also a great motor and we have jim Vreeland to fix those.

As far as others Yamaha and rocky mountain I have no experience but hear good things.

Bosch gives power so evenly through power placed on the pedals its ridiculous.

Something that's not talked about is that these bikes behave brilliantly by your cadence, if your a spinner you will be greatly rewarded.

 

[a.s.]

My demands haven’t changed…

33.9 lbs • 85nm • 150/160 travel • $5,999, with a range of ~50 miles.

Call me when that’s available. 😎

 

[one piece crank]

I'd be happy if my Meta was 10 lbs lighter. 65 lbs is heavy for a 150/130mm bike and does hinder hike a bike.

I still cannot wrap my mind around this.

 

[THATmanMANNY]

Sorry, I’m really bad with understanding E work. Bikes and home. Im not helpful here but did you try the manufacturer and see if they have any repair services?

I need an e-bike repair, I believe it's either in the battery itself or the circuit board in the battery.
It's a starting problem, sometimes works, sometimes not. It's a Bionix system 😕
@jdog , @THATmanMANNY

 

[mattybfat]

My demands haven’t changed…

33.9 lbs • 85nm • 150/160 travel • $5,999

Call me when that’s available. 😎

Oh they'll change, no need for voodoo. Someone will enlighten you to accept the capabilities these have, that far outweigh the needs of your demands.
Signed
Mattybfat 8/25/2023

 

[VelocityboyII]

Oh they'll change, no need for voodoo. Someone will enlighten you to accept the capabilities these have, that far outweigh the needs of your demands.
Signed
Mattybfat 8/25/2023

Shuttle sl uses the fazua like trek exe.
New shuttle LT now uses bosch another manufacturer that switched over this year.
Look at jdogs new shuttle.

The bosch is right now so much better and folks know that and the bike industry shows that.

Santa Cruz better jump on board.

People are already squeaking that bafang 510 is better then the ep8.

Brose is also a great motor and we have jim Vreeland to fix those.

As far as others Yamaha and rocky mountain I have no experience but hear good things.

Bosch gives power so evenly through power placed on the pedals its ridiculous.

Something that's not talked about is that these bikes behave brilliantly by your cadence, if your a spinner you will be greatly rewarded.

The Trek EXe uses a TQ motor