Has the price of specialty beers gotten out of control? And Mondavi can SAD
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It's like complaining about the price of SSAP. You don't like it, don't race. If you're bitter about missing it, that's your own fault. If you DGAF, than who cares in the first place?
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Cliche, but true...most are.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Cliche, but true...most are.
hmm - 2 levels
(not) drinkable.
cook with the bad stuff.
i think you made that up.
This is the case with vodka also.
Magic
Formerly 1sh0t1b33r
I don't drink wine often or in large quantities, mostly because wine hangovers are the worst thing ever, but Norm is correct. There's been plenty of blind taste tests done where people have to match the wine to the bottle. A vast majority of the time, they're shocked that the 'better' tasting one was cheaper. What I mean by 'better', I believe, is largely due to the fact that most of the population would prefer a sweeter wine. Also, said wine tasters probably haven't tasted much outside of college boxed wine or Barefoot. The worse one is probably the expensive one. 60% of the time, it works every time. One of my favorites comes from Brotherhood Winery, about 15 minutes from me on the way to Stewart. Dry Riesling at $7.99.
Magic
Formerly 1sh0t1b33r
The difference is that it takes longer to find out if the Vodka was a crock of shit. You'll know soon after you wake up the next morning if it was Grey Goose or plastic bottle Popov.
rick81721
Lothar
Holds true for pretty much anything, including beer. We see this all the time in product performance tests where we test products blind and branded
http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2...st-that-can-help-you-save-money/#.VmrSoGeFPcs
hmm, i just received this year's commemorative paris tasting chard.....it is unique, but probably not economically pudent.
The producers in the US were catering to US palettes. we tend to go bigger with everything. More oak, darker colors, higher alch.
This wine was produced to compete with french wines directly, not to be the best for american tastes. on that note, oak barrels are expensive,
and the trend away from heavy oak to be more "french" was probably driven more by cost than taste.....grgich was also known for their
oak/buttery mouth feel chard, but has completely abandoned that.....
IMHO - there is also some huge bottle variation among the same release. Bad high end bottles, and surprisingly good low end. Or maybe
it was just the mood i was in.
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Yes, price signalling. Supply and demand. all that stuff....
If there are only 600 cases
As a test,
grab a bottle of yellow tail cab, and a bottle of franciscan cab. About $6 vs $25.
Open, and pour in glasses. wait 30 minutes. drink. (sip wine, swallow, breath in through mouth and nose) <- important
perhaps we are paying for the ability of the wine to get better with age? along with the prestige of the label.
certainly at the high end, it is out of control. like a bottle of Cristal isn't worth 10x a bottle of white star, but you'll know immediately that
it isn't lambrusco. (tbh, they are different methods, and grapes....italian high end sparking is getting better: metodo classico)
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NY rieslings can compete. prices are rising for the better finger lakes wines. Skilled vinters are moving into the region...
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"all pizza tastes the same.." anonymous mtbnj poster. 😉
The producers in the US were catering to US palettes. we tend to go bigger with everything. More oak, darker colors, higher alch.
This wine was produced to compete with french wines directly, not to be the best for american tastes. on that note, oak barrels are expensive,
and the trend away from heavy oak to be more "french" was probably driven more by cost than taste.....grgich was also known for their
oak/buttery mouth feel chard, but has completely abandoned that.....
IMHO - there is also some huge bottle variation among the same release. Bad high end bottles, and surprisingly good low end. Or maybe
it was just the mood i was in.
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Yes, price signalling. Supply and demand. all that stuff....
If there are only 600 cases
As a test,
grab a bottle of yellow tail cab, and a bottle of franciscan cab. About $6 vs $25.
Open, and pour in glasses. wait 30 minutes. drink. (sip wine, swallow, breath in through mouth and nose) <- important
perhaps we are paying for the ability of the wine to get better with age? along with the prestige of the label.
certainly at the high end, it is out of control. like a bottle of Cristal isn't worth 10x a bottle of white star, but you'll know immediately that
it isn't lambrusco. (tbh, they are different methods, and grapes....italian high end sparking is getting better: metodo classico)
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NY rieslings can compete. prices are rising for the better finger lakes wines. Skilled vinters are moving into the region...
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"all pizza tastes the same.." anonymous mtbnj poster. 😉
I do agree that pricing has something to do with expectation. If you buy an $80 bottle of wine you expect it to be better then the $8 bottle...and wine manufacturers know this and price their wine to increase its value.
These articles saying that experts can't tell the difference between an $8 bottle of wine and an $80 dollar bottle of wine is sensationalism. While I do agree there are some crappy $80 bottles of wine out there, for the most part they usually taste better then the $8 bottle. Its like saying you can't tell the difference between Heady and PBR in a blind test...do you really believe this?
As far as testing products I don't rely on the general public to choose the best stuff, they don't know shit. As an example the 5 best selling beers in the USA are Budlight, Coorslight, Bud, Miller light, and Natural Ice... These are the people that don't know the difference between Heady & PBR.
jnos
Well-Known Member
That's true, but that's also why you look a the bottle. No difference until you know you are drinking an $80 bottle.
Freakonomics is anything but sensationalism. To quote Walter Sobchuk, "So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "
rick81721
Lothar
Two completely different factors here - differentiation of products by sensory attributes and hedonics (preference - which do you like betterr). I'm sure most people can differentiate a corona light from an IPA from a sensory pov, some will prefer the IPA, some will think it tastes like shit. Doesn't make either consumer "wrong".
walter
Fourth Party
Craft beer is already being broken down into different segments. At the Long Beach Island beer fest they have a tent for "craft beers" like flying fish, Brooklyn, dogfish, etc. Then they have a tent for "independent brewers" like ship bottom brewing, pinelands, forgotten boardwalk, those guys from Hoboken, etc.
Crazy.
Crazy.
i did a blind vodka taste test once. ketel one blew away every other brand by a mile. i was very surprised. then i had the same thing done with mixed drinks. ketel one sucked when mixed with anything sweet. go figure.