Losing a summer and tossing out a fall.
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serviceguy
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1st, if snowboarding over 50 doesn't scream acute midlife crisis I don't know what does. You should stick to XC skiing, didn't you get the memo?
2nd, since when you're own impairment is an excuse to put other people in danger? Same goes for other skiers that ski where they don't belong.
yield to the downhill skier/snowboarder tho...
I started when I was 30, it is easier on the knees. I ride like i ride - all mountain/XC. 🤟 And slowly! 🤟🤟
Group training runs at a conversational pace are fun. Learning to breath and muscle recruitment.
People telling funny race stories - can't really do that on a group ride. Time goes by quickly to.
i did a 20 miler on the D&R and had to keep slowing down cause the goal was to be able to talk,
so you can run for hours. I think this is similar to Spencer's Z2 training. Go for hours at that speed,
and feel great on race day (for most of it) - doesn't mean speed work and interval training isn't important,
but i think "our" goal is to be able to run the whole race and make the goal time.
For me the 1 hour mtb race does foster the race within the race, for those who aren't making the pointy end (ie me.)
This doesn't happen in a 1/2 or full marathon - you might recognize a few people, but the race is in your head.
Keep your pace, keep form, make your time, adjust as needed.
@Patrick
I tend not to run with others for a few reasons.
1) I tend to find the running groups clicky.
2) The pacing tends to not be ideal on the weekday runs from in-town at least when I was running a lot last year. The weekend running groups are better as there's a ton of paces and lengths but in reality if I'm getting out of bed on a Saturday to go do something with people it's going to be a bike ride. I find it way easier to hop in with a bunch of mtb people I don't know and ride with them as opposed to runners.
3) Those long runs as I mentioned a pretty zen like. Since I got injured and hurt myself I've been really behind on going through my podcasts...
As far as racing goes it's dependent on the race type. I liked cyclocross because I'm dying the whole time and spending the entire time trying to pass the person in front of me. Very competitive. Running races is totally different as it's typically a race in my head of staying on the edge to not blow up.
Funny thing is I never really paid much attention to my race results in the trail races I've been doing. I'd finish and it's a ghost town at the finish line because I figured everyone had already left. Joy asked me how I did at once of the last races I did and so I looked it up for her and realized that I started off as the last person in the entire race and finished at the front. Looking back at the races I realized the reason there was hardly anyone at the finish wasn't because I was at the end, I was at the front...
I tend not to run with others for a few reasons.
1) I tend to find the running groups clicky.
2) The pacing tends to not be ideal on the weekday runs from in-town at least when I was running a lot last year. The weekend running groups are better as there's a ton of paces and lengths but in reality if I'm getting out of bed on a Saturday to go do something with people it's going to be a bike ride. I find it way easier to hop in with a bunch of mtb people I don't know and ride with them as opposed to runners.
3) Those long runs as I mentioned a pretty zen like. Since I got injured and hurt myself I've been really behind on going through my podcasts...
As far as racing goes it's dependent on the race type. I liked cyclocross because I'm dying the whole time and spending the entire time trying to pass the person in front of me. Very competitive. Running races is totally different as it's typically a race in my head of staying on the edge to not blow up.
Funny thing is I never really paid much attention to my race results in the trail races I've been doing. I'd finish and it's a ghost town at the finish line because I figured everyone had already left. Joy asked me how I did at once of the last races I did and so I looked it up for her and realized that I started off as the last person in the entire race and finished at the front. Looking back at the races I realized the reason there was hardly anyone at the finish wasn't because I was at the end, I was at the front...
thegock
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I never liked Meatloaf's music but I like him even more now that he also hates the most over-rated ever "musician" Springsteen.
I wanted to break 4:00, and aiming for 3:50 or 3:55. I was completely just being conservative as I've never ran that distance before and haven't done even done a half-marathon race in years. No reason to aim for some really low time as I have nothing to prove nor did I train for it. I'm not joking when I said I was comfortable the entire race up until my foot hurt. Only work I felt I was doing was keeping myself from going faster. If I didn't stop for the bathroom break and tying my shoes twice maybe I would have made it under 4:00...
I swap between two shoes on the road. Minimalist pair of Merrell Road Gloves and lower stack height Altra Escalantes. Because I had leg/hip issues I actually did my shakeout run in my Merrels and decided to run in those. Even though the Altras are "low" stack height they just feel gooey and I was concerned about instability running 26 miles in them with prior injuries. Possibly the wrong decision as that could have been what injured me...
For awhile I've done all my races I think in an old pair of Asics Fuji something or others that aren't made anymore. They're at their end of life but they're crazy comfortable, toe box is large, low stack height and the traction is great. I have been trying out Altra Superiors as they are the lowest stack height trail running shoes they make and the grip is absolutely unsafe. I do hike in the Altras (if it's not slick out) however primarily and they're great with gaitors & spikes. Trying Saucony Peregrines now as they're low stack height and have amazing grip but haven't had enough time on them.
I wanted to break 4:00, and aiming for 3:50 or 3:55. I was completely just being conservative as I've never ran that distance before and haven't done even done a half-marathon race in years. No reason to aim for some really low time as I have nothing to prove nor did I train for it. I'm not joking when I said I was comfortable the entire race up until my foot hurt. Only work I felt I was doing was keeping myself from going faster. If I didn't stop for the bathroom break and tying my shoes twice maybe I would have made it under 4:00...
I swap between two shoes on the road. Minimalist pair of Merrell Road Gloves and lower stack height Altra Escalantes. Because I had leg/hip issues I actually did my shakeout run in my Merrels and decided to run in those. Even though the Altras are "low" stack height they just feel gooey and I was concerned about instability running 26 miles in them with prior injuries. Possibly the wrong decision as that could have been what injured me...
For awhile I've done all my races I think in an old pair of Asics Fuji something or others that aren't made anymore. They're at their end of life but they're crazy comfortable, toe box is large, low stack height and the traction is great. I have been trying out Altra Superiors as they are the lowest stack height trail running shoes they make and the grip is absolutely unsafe. I do hike in the Altras (if it's not slick out) however primarily and they're great with gaitors & spikes. Trying Saucony Peregrines now as they're low stack height and have amazing grip but haven't had enough time on them.
Ugh - I meant dialed-in.
when i did a 1/2 in VFFs, i decided that something with some cushion would be a better idea.
still love my trail minimus shoes - just not at the Sourlands.
I told people i wanted just to break 4:00, before I got injured it was going to be sub 3:50.
Really wanted the avg pace to be 8:xx rather than 9:xx. oh, well. next one (haha?)
thegock
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I wanted to break 4:00, and aiming for 3:50 or 3:55. I was completely just being conservative as I've never ran that distance before and haven't done even done a half-marathon race in years. No reason to aim for some really low time as I have nothing to prove nor did I train for it. I'm not joking when I said I was comfortable the entire race up until my foot hurt. Only work I felt I was doing was keeping myself from going faster. If I didn't stop for the bathroom break and tying my shoes twice maybe I would have made it under 4:00...
I swap between two shoes on the road. Minimalist pair of Merrell Road Gloves and lower stack height Altra Escalantes. Because I had leg/hip issues I actually did my shakeout run in my Merrels and decided to run in those. Even though the Altras are "low" stack height they just feel gooey and I was concerned about instability running 26 miles in them with prior injuries. Possibly the wrong decision as that could have been what injured me...
For awhile I've done all my races I think in an old pair of Asics Fuji something or others that aren't made anymore. They're at their end of life but they're crazy comfortable, toe box is large, low stack height and the traction is great. I have been trying out Altra Superiors as they are the lowest stack height trail running shoes they make and the grip is absolutely unsafe. I do hike in the Altras (if it's not slick out) however primarily and they're great with gaitors & spikes. Trying Saucony Peregrines now as they're low stack height and have amazing grip but haven't had enough time on them.
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Aight, @Carson ?
Curious, why don’t you road bike from home anymore?
I read it as dialed in.
Trail gloves are probably similar to VFFs as far as cushion. I never really had issues running in them but I built up over time and my daily shoes for years were Trail Gloves and currently Lem's minimalist shoes.
What I'm looking for in trail shoes (a middle ground, not too minimalist) is rather hard but I think the Peregrines are it hopefully. I don't need 0 drop and want some protection and a wide toe box. And the ability to try them on in a store...
You can start training now and run with me in November.
thegock
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Over 60 is good, doe
I like the noise.
I'll see how the Saucony shoes work out. Not putting in miles in then right now with injured foot and this weather.
The saving grace is the Altra tread issues lately are a non-issue wearing spikes.
I also really like the Altra gaitor setup and may glue Velcro onto other shoes.
My problem with trail gloves is they have no real tread. And they changed all their shoes it seems and they hurt my arch.
I want to try the Escalante racers, I mentioned I run in the regular Escalante and find them too cushy. Nobody has the racers in a store too try on.
I rarely find trail chatter (noise) hurts my feet. Only time my feet hurt is small gravel on the road with the Road Gloves when I land on it just right.
Been in minimalist shoes for years and I remember my first pair of trail gloves incredibly painful just walking off road at first.
Mahnken
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I love these things for trail running and hiking (well, the regular primus trail that they don't seem to have right now):
https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/primus-trail-knit-fg-mens
They are much wider than what I remember of the trail gloves (haven't tried them in years).
They used to have a store in Manhattan, but it doesn't look like they do anymore, I think it was the only store in the US. They also have sales a few times a year, I've never paid full price for them. And a 100 day return policy if you get them and don't like them.
I have a pair of escalante racers in a size 11 with maybe 100 miles on them. Don't think I've worn them since the Philly marathon in 2019. If it's your size, you're welcome to try them out.
Yeah I've looked at those and it's the same thing, I like trying on shoes. Really I'd have to buy 3 pairs and return 2 which I guess is normal.
I'll take you up on the Escalante Racers! My Escalante's are 11.5 and are pretty loose and I had a hard time deciding between 11 and 11.5.