sundaydoug
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I'll bet they didn't go and ride them afterwards.Yep Jay posted a video years ago of Santa Cruz slamming their frames repeatedly with a big hammer and no damage.
I'll bet they didn't go and ride them afterwards.Yep Jay posted a video years ago of Santa Cruz slamming their frames repeatedly with a big hammer and no damage.
I'll bet they didn't go and ride them afterwards.
Just making the point that these videos where they pound the shit out of the front triangle are horseshit, since the carbon rear triangles are no where near that durable and will break with even a modest side load or impact. Reminds me of another video years ago that showed the impressive front impact that a Smart Car was able to sustain, but neglected to show how you’d be crushed like a paper cup if someone nailed you from the side.Not relevant to this discussion. No bike rack clamps the rear triangle.
You sure about that? I thought those cars were basically cages on wheels.Just making the point that these videos where they pound the shit out of the front triangle are horseshit, since the carbon rear triangles are no where near that durable and will break with even a modest side load or impact. Reminds me of another video years ago that showed the impressive front impact that a Smart Car was able to sustain, but neglected to show how you’d be crushed like a paper cup if someone nailed you from the side.
Think of it this way, what happens if someone puts you in a cage and then throws you down a long flight of stairs or off your roof?You sure about that? I thought those cars were basically cages on wheels.
Side impact rating was G by the IIHS. Not the best but not the worst.
Just making the point that these videos where they pound the shit out of the front triangle are horseshit, since the carbon rear triangles are no where near that durable and will break with even a modest side load or impact.
Apparently Good according to actual tests of the vehicle.Think of it this way, what happens if someone puts you in a cage and then throws you down a long flight of stairs or off your roof?
Not taking sides on this heated debate, but I cracked my only carbon frame on the right seat stay side (hard tail) during its very first ride…the bike i saw was a hardtail, but the rear triangle section was doing just as well as the front section . . . . not sure about full suspension but i havent had any problems with side impacts damaging any of my bikes.
I would expect frames breaking to be the exception, not the rule, but in the hands of the ham-fisted few who’s brains write checks their bodies can’t cash, breaking seat and chain stays has been more common on carbon bikes FS bikes. The LBS where I bought my bike has this happen on almost every brand they sell.the bike i saw was a hardtail, but the rear triangle section was doing just as well as the front section . . . . not sure about full suspension but i havent had any problems with side impacts damaging any of my bikes.
My friends father was an accident investigator for the insurance companies, and the way he explained it at the time was that as impressive as those tests were on such a small car, the vehicle may have survived an impressive amount of force for its size, but in the uncontrolled real world, those forces are transferred directly to the passengers in a way that couldn’t be directly quantified by crash test dummies. He said that was the last car he wanted to be in for a side impact crash, driver or passenger seat.Apparently Good according to actual tests of the vehicle.
My friends father was an accident investigator for the insurance companies, and the way he explained it at the time was that as impressive as those tests were on such a small car, the vehicle may have survived an impressive amount of force for its size, but in the uncontrolled real world, those forces are transferred directly to the passengers in a way that couldn’t be directly quantified by crash test dummies. He said that was the last car he wanted to be in for a side impact crash, driver or passenger seat.
Not a car guy at all but "modern cars have grown" doesn't compute with me. SUVs sure, but that's more trend/fad than anything else. Actual cars (sedans) today compared to 1950s-1980s cars??not that this is even remotely close to being on topic here, but . . . .
part of the reason modern cars have grown as much as they have is the fact that they need the crumple zones to absorb the impact energy in order to pass crash testing. It also drives the material choice and shape of parts in the appropriate zones. If the energy isn't absorbed by the car it is passed to the occupants, and unless you are strapped into a 5point harness you are getting tossed around inside (given a significant enough impact) and its not going to end well.
Can cruise in that car with your arm resting on the door. @shrpshtr325 would need to ape arm to do that in his modern car due to side-impact requirements.Not a car guy at all but "modern cars have grown" doesn't compute with me. SUVs sure, but that's more trend/fad than anything else. Actual cars (sedans) today compared to 1950s-1980s cars??
Unfortunately it takes me longer than that to remove the wheel off my Fox 36 Factory fork. I need to grab a hex wrench to first loosen the pinch bolt on one of the legs then use the wrench to remove the axel. None of my bikes have quick release axels. Then I have to find a place to store the front wheel. With a OneUp rack it literally takes 10 seconds from lifting the bike to the rack to having the bike secured on the rack.If he’s doing a roof rack get a fork mount model, it takes 10 seconds to pull the front wheel off the bike.
That's perfect. Just remember to remove it before pulling into the garage.Circling back on this. Thanks again for all the input. Son ended up taking the bulk of y’all’s advice and getting a 1Up roof mount. 👍. With a carbon bike and 1 Up rack, he is officially cooler than me now.
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