ryderX
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Please define rich.
The Covid effect.
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2010-2020, 5.7% change (less than the national avg) in NJ when MD is at 7%.
Sure you will say a big boom happened 2021-2023 but it barely moves that needle.
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Dave Taylor
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The problem is where it happened. South Jersey just kept dying so people are moving out. North Jersey inherited all the New Yorkers. Let’s be a little relative here. If you can’t drive down the entire New Jersey shore and realize that it’s way more congested than you should take your blinders offView attachment 233435
2010-2020, 5.7% change (less than the national avg) in NJ when MD is at 7%.
Sure you will say a big boom happened 2021-2023 but it barely moves that needle.
It is fair to say that the state level number doesnt tell the whole story. Researching this stuff is part of what I do for work, so I am interested in the discussion as a whole. I also collect traffic data as part of my job and we do the central part of the state that includes Monmouth and Ocean counties. Unfortunately, the traffic numbers aren’t anywhere close to supporting what you were saying, however, they aren’t perfect either
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Jersey shore became especially popular during Covid and that wave is still happening, but it’s still largely seasonal.
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Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
My non-scientific observation is that a lot of patterns have changed. For instance, pre-covid you could walk into Costco on a Tuesday afternoon and it would be reasonably empty, so you could get in/out quickly.
These days, it doesn't seem to matter when you go, it's always more crowded than you think it should be. Every time I try to run a mid-day errand people are out in force. IMO, the permanency of WFH for many people has upended the patterns that we use as a benchmark for normal. Yes a move in population is probably also to blame, along with other factors we aren't considering. Point is, shits different now!
These days, it doesn't seem to matter when you go, it's always more crowded than you think it should be. Every time I try to run a mid-day errand people are out in force. IMO, the permanency of WFH for many people has upended the patterns that we use as a benchmark for normal. Yes a move in population is probably also to blame, along with other factors we aren't considering. Point is, shits different now!
Pearl
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Could you help me find info out about our area? Not sure what good search terms would be. I'd love to see the difference in the Charlotte area from 2015-2024.
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The census.gov site has an insane amount of data that used for all sorts of things.
Charlotte Metro Area Population (1950-2025) | MacroTrends
Chart and table of population level and growth rate for the Charlotte metro area from 1950 to 2025.
www.macrotrends.net
Interestingly enough, the percent change per year is slowing, however a massive 62% increase, over 8 times the national avg, from 2010-2020. And over 12% since 2020. Kinda easy to figure out why traffic is f'ed around CLT.
| Charlotte - Historical Population Data | ||
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| Year | Population | Growth Rate |
| 2024 | 2,321,000 | 2.38% |
| 2023 | 2,267,000 | 2.86% |
| 2022 | 2,204,000 | 3.38% |
| 2021 | 2,132,000 | 3.80% |
| 2020 | 2,054,000 | 4.21% |
| 2019 | 1,971,000 | 4.51% |
| 2018 | 1,886,000 | 5.13% |
| 2017 | 1,794,000 | 5.16% |
| 2016 | 1,706,000 | 5.11% |
| 2015 | 1,623,000 | 5.12% |
| 2014 | 1,544,000 | 5.11% |
| 2013 | 1,469,000 | 5.08% |
| 2012 | 1,398,000 | 5.11% |
| 2011 | 1,330,000 | 5.14% |
| 2010 | 1,265,000 | 5.07% |
You trying to keep a straight face when @Dave Taylor complains about less than 7% growth over a ten year period.
Johnny Utah
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@Pearl Is Charlotte traffic ever that bad? Like on a scale from 0-New Jersey, does it ever get that bad? Looking up rough #s Charlotte is much less dense than NNJ and doesn't have the older infrastructure to deal with.
I know when people here in WNC talk about traffic it's laughable coming from NJ.
I know when people here in WNC talk about traffic it's laughable coming from NJ.
Pearl
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Rush hour is pretty bad. The problem with the interstates around here, it's a damn free for all. I know people talk about 287/78 being super fast, but if you aren't doing 85+ on the interstate around here, you are dead meat. 85 has no place for cops to hide (besides the top of bridges) and you can literally do 100mph from one side of Charlotte to other and not have a problem. The Altimas run rampant here. I would say it isn't as bad as NJ as the 485 loop is pretty thought out, there isn't huge stop and go traffic, more like doing 10-15 mph because someone couldn't merge 15 minutes before you arrived.
Anytime it rains its a nightmare, the roads do not have reflective lines for the lanes, so your guess is as good as mine if you are in a lane.
You can see the blue dot, that is where we live. Mandi works in uptown (the L in Charlotte) and it could be a 25 minute commute, or 45, depending on the day. its 12 miles as the crow flies, or 25 if you interstate it.
Back in NJ I would commute to work from Somerville to Cranbury (exit 8a turnpike), it was all single lane roads. It would take me 45 minutes. It would take me an hour if I rode my bike.
Anytime it rains its a nightmare, the roads do not have reflective lines for the lanes, so your guess is as good as mine if you are in a lane.
You can see the blue dot, that is where we live. Mandi works in uptown (the L in Charlotte) and it could be a 25 minute commute, or 45, depending on the day. its 12 miles as the crow flies, or 25 if you interstate it.
Back in NJ I would commute to work from Somerville to Cranbury (exit 8a turnpike), it was all single lane roads. It would take me 45 minutes. It would take me an hour if I rode my bike.
The biggest cultural shock I've had down here is the lack of drainage on the roads and the lack of reflective paint.
They've re-done a lot of roads here and put the reflectors on the lines, but overall I prefer the reflective paint. Seems pretty dumb.
They've re-done a lot of roads here and put the reflectors on the lines, but overall I prefer the reflective paint. Seems pretty dumb.
Traffic is obviously bad here but it certainly gets worse than NJ....by magnitudes.
Where are you now?
Also, NJ traffic can vary wildly. There's a difference sitting in CNJ traffic on 202/206 or whatever and sitting on 80 coming out of NYC commute.
JPark
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you are in NASCAR country. people like to drive fast!
Essex County border of Morris. I used to drive to basically the entire state during rush hour for my last position, I'm just about as well versed in NJ traffic as it comes.
It's obviously worse in Hudson/Bergen but compared to Chicagao/NYC/LA, it's a country road.
Pearl
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My only real constant travel on interstates when I was in NJ was 287, I feel like it was 60-70mph was normal. 80 was pushing it.
Here I find myself doing 90, in my 4runner. and I'm not passing any one... it's insane.
Dave Taylor
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Traffic numbers don’t because wfh and these ny transplants taking mass transit i to nyc.
Dave Taylor
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Charlotte wasn’t already a 5lb bagged packed with 10lbs of shit doh.Data Tools and Apps
Find information using interactive applications to get statistics from multiple surveys.
The census.gov site has an insane amount of data that used for all sorts of things.
Charlotte Metro Area Population (1950-2025) | MacroTrends
Chart and table of population level and growth rate for the Charlotte metro area from 1950 to 2025.
Interestingly enough, the percent change per year is slowing, however a massive 62% increase, over 8 times the national avg, from 2010-2020. And over 12% since 2020. Kinda easy to figure out why traffic is f'ed around CLT.
Year Population Growth Rate Charlotte - Historical Population Data 2024 2,321,000 2.38% 2023 2,267,000 2.86% 2022 2,204,000 3.38% 2021 2,132,000 3.80% 2020 2,054,000 4.21% 2019 1,971,000 4.51% 2018 1,886,000 5.13% 2017 1,794,000 5.16% 2016 1,706,000 5.11% 2015 1,623,000 5.12% 2014 1,544,000 5.11% 2013 1,469,000 5.08% 2012 1,398,000 5.11% 2011 1,330,000 5.14% 2010 1,265,000 5.07%
You trying to keep a straight face when @Dave Taylor complains about less than 7% growth over a ten year period.
Pearl
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This is true, but Charlotte is different in the way that people don’t live in uptown, they just work in uptown. Everyone drives in to work, then most drive out to the 485 border to live. Even the restaurants close during the week. It’s pretty funny. The light rail system is a joke so just about everyone drives to work.
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