This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

Tim said:
I agree with almost everything you said. The media survives off of hype and they definitely have an agenda. I don't think all of the shutdowns are for nothing. I think at least some of the restrictions are logical and make sense. Things definitely got out of hand, though.

It looks as though the numbers are trending to show COVID-19 will be about twice as deadly as the flu. This is a far cry from 10x or whatever the initial models predicted the death rate to be compared to the flu.



The point of the shutdowns were to slow the spread. Again, the area under the curve is the same regardless of whether it is short and steep or long and flat. If 15k people were going to die then 15k people were going to die.

I have never met you and I don't know you, though I have been around the forums enough to be at least a little familiar with your background. That said I have a serious question for you. What will most likely have a more profound effect on your health and well-being? Potential exposure to COVID-19 or the loss of your business and ability to provide yourself (and family) with food, shelter and a healthy lifestyle?

The longer this drags on the more businesses will not survive it. It's not because they made poor business decisions. It's because Uncle Sam forced them to close the doors. Furthermore, what happens to the employees of these businesses? They aren't getting paid. We can't just keep printing money and handing it out or you'll need a wheel barrow full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. This will have a real effect on people's lives and health and that absolutely should carry some weight in these decisions.

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We pumped the brakes. We bought time. Our health care system was able to adapt and it's integrity was preserved. No one is advocating unnecessary death but I think it's time we start easing the restrictions. I think the real risk to our society, personal health, and well-being due to us crippling our economy is being ignored by many. This has always been a balancing act. The risk can't be eliminated 100%. We also can't live in a bubble forever. It's just not sustainable for very long.
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I'd rather not lose my business after 25 years, but it beats dying. As someone who is compromised I'd rather not be exposed. This is not the flu. My wife lost two co-workers and one former co-worker who had just retired. Two more have husbands on ventilators. All related to Port Authority work. In all my life I've never know anyone personally who died from the flu.

If things go back to normal my wife gets to sit at a desk with people two feet away after commuting on NJ transit and the Path trains. The likelihood of her bringing it home to me are real good without further testing. I'm not sure what the solution is and I'll be f'd by this thing one way or another.
 
Bike N Gear said:
I'd rather not lose my business after 25 years, but it beats dying. As someone who is compromised I'd rather not be exposed. This is not the flu. My wife lost two co-workers and one former co-worker who had just retired. Two more have husbands on ventilators. All related to Port Authority work. In all my life I've never know anyone personally who died from the flu.

If things go back to normal my wife gets to sit at a desk with people two feet away after commuting on NJ transit and the Path trains. The likelihood of her bringing it home to me are real good without further testing. I'm not sure what the solution is and I'll be f'd by this thing one way or another.
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I mean no offense here and I don't hope illness on anyone... but you hit the main method of transmission, public transit. Look a the hotspots, these areas have the highest percentage of people using public transit.
 
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68nova200 said:
I mean no offense here and I don't hope illness on anyone... but you hit the main method of transmission, public transit. Look a the hotspots, these areas have the highest percentage of people using public transit.
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Even if mass transit were gone, these people still live on top of each other.
 
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68nova200 said:
How well are the shut downs working tho??? Forcing more people into tiny spaces (food stores), cases didn't drop at all when restrictions started, if anything they increased significantly. So with absolutely zero restrictions it would have been a tough spot for sure. But only in localized areas with a high density of old people or population in general. The bottom line is that this thing does not have the chaotic results that have been peddled by the panic machines.
A 99.98% survival rate is nothing to worry about. The NYC death numbers are assuming ALL deaths at home are COVID related. They are considering basically all deaths besides a bullet in the head a covid death right now. NY admitted to this and they are the only state using this method of death count. In fact their numbers are so inflated that most sites reporting deaths are giving NY state an asterisk explaining how they report numbers.
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If you had a lightswitch that twice in 1000 times using it, it will electrocute you, would you ever touch it?
 
roc said:
If you had a lightswitch that twice in 1000 times using it, it will electrocute you, would you ever touch it?
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I would actually touch it twice. Just to make sure the first time wasn't a fluke... In all seriousness though driving a car is as deadly as this virus and I bet you wouldnt hesitate to drive to some good single track.
 
Since a few of you don't seem to believe any information from any source, let's look at what the big banking firms are doing. JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, etc. They exist to make money. They want to make more of it. They make more when the economy is strong. To the extent possible, all their people are home, regardless of whatever is happening in a particular state or country and they all started before the administration was even admitting the problem was serious. They also continue to urge the administration to ramp up testing and discourage a rush to open businesses because their analyses show a worse economic outcome than waiting.

This thing has killed more Americans in six weeks than most entire flu seasons (SOURCE) and has averaged 2k deaths/day for the past 14 days. Yesterday was a new high score (2800) after a few down days despite large parts of the population completely unexposable (a word I hereby coin) or taking extraordinary measures to keep safe. Anyone calling that not serious has a different dictionary than I do.

Whatever. I'm gonna stay the F at home until the people running my company - who give zero Fs what the media or politicians say, but do actually care that we don't die and have the education and experience to make the call, are confident. It sucks that I have to rely on them but that's where we are.
 
68nova200 said:
I would actually touch it twice. Just to make sure the first time wasn't a fluke... In all seriousness though driving a car is as deadly as this virus and I bet you wouldnt hesitate to drive to some good single track.
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Approximately 40,000 people die in car accidents every year in the USA. Adjust the current Covid deaths down a little, because yiu think they are inflated, say 40,000 instead of 46k, so currently the same amount of people have died from both. Corona-6,7 weeks. Car accident 52 weeks.
I know this doesn’t take in account a whole bunch of things, but still this thing is really scary.
I’m 51, I am guessing you are in your 20’s or 30’s. I probably would have leaned more towards your thinking in my 20’s.
I would have been at spring break, when I was 21, with all the other college kids.
 
68nova200 said:
In all seriousness though driving a car is as deadly as this virus
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No it is not. 38,800 traffic deaths all last year. 106 per day. 46,000 COVID-19 deaths in the past 6 weeks. 2800 yesterday.

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68nova200 said:
Stop spreading panic. currently 0.00182% of the earths population has been infected. Of those confirmed cases 0.000066% of the population has died. last year alone 3 members of this forum died from heart related issues. There are 5921 members listed here on this forum. That is .05% of members died in one year from heart issues. CHILL THE HECK OUT ALREADY.
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Jeez dude, you posted that on March 13. 48 people had died in the US. 1000X more Americans have died in the meantime yet you still persist.
 
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rick81721 said:
At this stage in the game, blood antibody tests would be more relevant. But it should give some insight
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Yeah, I’ll be a better educated consumer after the webinar this afternoon, but I am currently skeptical about testing as it is now.
I’d rather see a focus on nailing down accuracy than going widespread with what we have.
 
mfennell said:
Since a few of you don't seem to believe any information from any source, let's look at what the big banking firms are doing. JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, etc. They exist to make money. They want to make more of it. They make more when the economy is strong. To the extent possible, all their people are home, regardless of whatever is happening in a particular state or country and they all started before the administration was even admitting the problem was serious. They also continue to urge the administration to ramp up testing and discourage a rush to open businesses because their analyses show a worse economic outcome than waiting.

This thing has killed more Americans in six weeks than most entire flu seasons (SOURCE) and has averaged 2k deaths/day for the past 14 days. Yesterday was a new high score (2800) after a few down days despite large parts of the population completely unexposable (a word I hereby coin) or taking extraordinary measures to keep safe. Anyone calling that not serious has a different dictionary than I do.

Whatever. I'm gonna stay the F at home until the people running my company - who give zero Fs what the media or politicians say, but do actually care that we don't die and have the education and experience to make the call, are confident. It sucks that I have to rely on them but that's where we are.
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Even Fox News anchors are working from home despite reporting that this is all BS.
 
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