Another bike company goes direct to consumer - Yeti

It's not just opportunity cost. Also expertise - any schmoe can learn to do a half-assed job on a bike. I prefer to have someone who really knows what they are doing to do it right. To mtbike87's other point - yeah he saves money until he crashes because of a bad repair job. Then he doesn't.
You're assuming a shop will never do an half ass job. How exactly can you tell if they did if you don't know how to do it yourself? There's not an absolute answer to this, just go with whatever makes you more comfortable.
 
You're assuming a shop will never do an half ass job. How exactly can you tell if they did if you don't know how to do it yourself? There's not an absolute answer to this, just go with whatever makes you more comfortable.

Well I'm assuming someone who fixes bikes for a living has a far lower chance of making a mistake than said schmoe.
 
It's not just opportunity cost. Also expertise - any schmoe can learn to do a half-assed job on a bike. I prefer to have someone who really knows what they are doing to do it right. To mtbike87's other point - yeah he saves money until he crashes because of a bad repair job. Then he doesn't.
Now who's assuming ? I've never crashed due to a mechanical, and never as a result of something I've worked on myself. You know nothing of my mechanical experience. Having built, maintained, raced and crewed for championship winning racing vehicles for 30+ years, my skill set is solid. It's your own expertise you truly question, not mine Rick. That's entirely clear. Although I'm sure you could handle fixing a machine as simple as a bicycle, if you took the time to learn to do so. You wish to throw money at things rather than increasing your skills and knowledge. Your choice. Also your choice to trust someone else to do your work for you. Perhaps you should pay someone to ride it for you as well.Lucky for you you've found a solid shop, as that is not always the case. The competent shop guys on here I'm sure can tell many stories of poor workmanship they've had brought to them from other shops. Brought to them by folks who belived the shop they tried first had "expertise".
 
You're assuming a shop will never do an half ass job. How exactly can you tell if they did if you don't know how to do it yourself? There's not an absolute answer to this, just go with whatever makes you more comfortable.
I would apply this to many other things in life before bicycle maintenance. Unless of course we were in post apocalyptic times and the only way I could get gas was to barter with Lord Humungous.

How far do you take this? Medical procedures? Re-wiring a house? Legal defense?

Again Time > Money
 
Now who's assuming ? I've never crashed due to a mechanical, and never as a result of something I've worked on myself. You know nothing of my mechanical experience. Having built, maintained, raced and crewed for championship winning racing vehicles for 30+ years, my skill set is solid. It's your own expertise you truly question, not mine Rick. That's entirely clear. Although I'm sure you could handle fixing a machine as simple as a bicycle, if you took the time to learn to do so. You wish to throw money at things rather than increasing your skills and knowledge. Your choice. Also your choice to trust someone else to do your work for you. Perhaps you should pay someone to ride it for you as well.Lucky for you you've found a solid shop, as that is not always the case. The competent shop guys on here I'm sure can tell many stories of poor workmanship they've had brought to them from other shops. Brought to them by folks who belived the shop they tried first had "expertise".
This is awesome. How do you know he does not apply his time/knowledge/skillset to something that produces a far greater value/cost then what he spends at a bicycle mechanic?

Did you audit his annual time?

I too work on mechanical things and will be in a pit crew at the King of the Hammers this year. I have built axles, LS swapped vehicles. Stretched them, built link suspensions. I drop by junk off at a shop now for 50% of my bike work as I feel I receive a greater return on my time/money elsewhere. I can dump it on my way to work and pick it up for a ride post work on my way home.

Half of the pro builders I know that build $250k+ cars don’t touch a wrench anymore. Their time is more valuable elsewhere.

Let the LBS earn some bread too - streets gotta eat.
 
I would apply this to many other things in life before bicycle maintenance. Unless of course we were in post apocalyptic times and the only way I could get gas was to barter with Lord Humungous.

How far do you take this? Medical procedures? Re-wiring a house? Legal defense?

Again Time > Money
There are things where you simply have to trust the professionals, you really have no choice. That doesn't mean professionals do not screw up. With regard to medical procedures I could tell you a couple of stories where the professionals really screwed up, but I'll spare you. Like I said, you need to do what makes more comfortable. To me, destroying my bikes while thinking I'm fixing them is somewhat therapeutic. And that has a value too. On top of that, I rearely ride them, so it's really a low risk gamble...also, it takes time to ride a bike, so why not leaving it to the professionals? How far do you take this?
 
This is awesome. How do you know he does not apply his time/knowledge/skillset to something that produces a far greater value/cost then what he spends at a bicycle mechanic?

Did you audit his annual time?

I too work on mechanical things and will be in a pit crew at the King of the Hammers this year. I have built axles, LS swapped vehicles. Stretched them, built link suspensions. I drop by junk off at a shop now for 50% of my bike work as I feel I receive a greater return on my time/money elsewhere. I can dump it on my way to work and pick it up for a ride post work on my way home.

Half of the pro builders I know that build $250k+ cars don’t touch a wrench anymore. Their time is more valuable elsewhere.

Let the LBS earn some bread too - streets gotta eat.

Obviously he has spent his time learning how to exit all the car shows, in the car he paid someone else to customize for him, because ya know...time >money , without mowing down a crowd of onlookers. A skill that most Mustang drivers don't seem to have.
Fixed !!
 
Never been a fan, floating pivot need a lot of maintenance. Imo the frames are about as attractive as my Kenevo….. that is they are butt ugly.
 
Never been a fan, floating pivot need a lot of maintenance. Imo the frames are about as attractive as my Kenevo….. that is they are butt ugly.
Uh oh, I've never done any maintenance to any of the suspension components on my 6 year old SB5+. Am I in trouble? Will it explode on the next ride?
 
Now who's assuming ? I've never crashed due to a mechanical, and never as a result of something I've worked on myself. You know nothing of my mechanical experience. Having built, maintained, raced and crewed for championship winning racing vehicles for 30+ years, my skill set is solid. It's your own expertise you truly question, not mine Rick. That's entirely clear. Although I'm sure you could handle fixing a machine as simple as a bicycle, if you took the time to learn to do so. You wish to throw money at things rather than increasing your skills and knowledge. Your choice. Also your choice to trust someone else to do your work for you. Perhaps you should pay someone to ride it for you as well.Lucky for you you've found a solid shop, as that is not always the case. The competent shop guys on here I'm sure can tell many stories of poor workmanship they've had brought to them from other shops. Brought to them by folks who belived the shop they tried first had "expertise".

Another failure to comprehend. I said it only takes one crash due to your own mechanical fault to wipe out all your "savings". So far you've been lucky - I hope your luck holds!
 
I disagree about yeti being the same price; for a frameset (frame/shock), the comparable yeti model to my pivot Mach 5.5 is $1000 MORE. Part of that is the extra shock thing in their suspension design and the other is paying for the name. It really makes you wonder what that extra $1000 is getting you. Almost no way it rides that much better.

Either way, cycling is become less and less affordable. I understand the brands are doing anything to survive, how about making products that are more affordable.
Come on, Yeti is even more expensive than Ibis, new Yeti’s are a jack. However, I’m up at the Leafblower and the post-pandemic glut of bikes are in full effect. I’m trying to talk a friend back home into a new bike, and they have a brand spankin new SB160 with a factory 38 fork and factory X2 for less than a thousand more than a frame alone. I know there’s another thread on this, MTB’s are over-priced, but right now it’s a buyers market. So many high end bikes up here for $2-3k off.
 
Professionals dont do half assed work, hence the word "professional " 😉
This can be true, but experience has a lot to do with it. I was a bike shop mechanic from before I could drive, all the way through my college years. Throw in my professional career and several vehicle restorations and I’m not the average bike rider. When I have a really tough mechanical issue I stop by my historic LBS and we chew it over. More often than not, I take it home and proceed as planned. Not that the LBS could not have tried, it’s just a higher success rate if I prep and do it myself. These isolated issues are time well spent, vs. spending my money and time.

The above also applies to vehicles, validated by my personal checks after “professional” service work. What has happened to our world?

Your mileage may vary.
 
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