Full Power? Low Power?? No Power??

Will your next bike be Low powered, High powered No power??

  • Full Power is the next bike I will buy

  • Low Power is the next bike I will buy

  • No Power is the next bike I will buy

  • I already own a low power and my next Ebike with be a High power

  • I already Own a High power and my next Ebike with be a Low power

  • I already Own a High power and my next Ebike with be a No power

  • I already Own a Low power and my next Ebike with be a No power

  • I will never own an ebike till the day I die

  • I can't see going back to a non pedal assist in the body I live in

  • I spend time on both Ebikes and Analog bikes.

  • I already own a full power and I am happy with my choice

  • I already own a low power and I am happy with my choice

  • I have never ridden an Ebike more than 5 minutes

  • I have done a big ride on an ebike

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shrpshtr325 said:
I would argue there is a lot that goes into the proce difference. But one of the biggest things that many overlook is the scale of production. There are many more motorcycle produced than bicycles which means the parts production is optimized well beyond that the bicycle market will ever be, especially with all the marginal improvements being constantly made on the bicycle side of the equation. I could go on but I'll spare you all that boring reading
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willingness to pay is how things are priced.
 
shrpshtr325 said:
I would argue there is a lot that goes into the proce difference. But one of the biggest things that many overlook is the scale of production. There are many more motorcycle produced than bicycles which means the parts production is optimized well beyond that the bicycle market will ever be, especially with all the marginal improvements being constantly made on the bicycle side of the equation. I could go on but I'll spare you all that boring reading
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Makes sense to a point, way more cars are being produced than motorbikes and yet...not entirely disagreeing with you, just saying it's way more complicated that that. To be honest, the price of some analog bikes can be considered outrageous when compared to a motorbike price. Cost of producing is not necessarily directly related to the price you pay for it, I could start with the price of produce but then we would be comparing Apple to Orange...

and what @Patrick said.
 
Patrick said:
willingness to pay is how things are priced.
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Notice i said there was a lot more to it? No? Didn't think so.....

serviceguy said:
Makes sense to a point, way more cars are being produced than motorbikes and yet...not entirely disagreeing with you, just saying it's way more complicated that that. To be honest, the price of some analog bikes can be considered outrageous when compared to a motorbike price. Cost of producing is not necessarily directly related to the price you pay for it, I could start with the price of produce but then we would be comparing Apple to Orange...

and what @Patrick said.
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Cars to motorbikes is a change in scale that said I have heard guys talking about $30k motorbikes so......

Also the cost to make something is directly related to the end unit retail price. The market decides what the markup for profit can be(people will only pay so much for stuff). But cost to mfg ship and market sets the base price to keep a business profitable (businesses exist to make profit so without that.....)
 
I have a full power bike now and at the moment I'm in "wait and see" mode so I can't really say. I'm interested in gearbox/belt-drive e-bikes, but the next generation - especially after a weekend of riding through drivetrain destroying conditions and will need to completely tear down my e-bike to clean out the mud, a sealed gearbox sounds nice right now...

This past weekend, a lighter bike with less battery might have been nice since I rarely used more than 1 out of the 5 bars of 720wh battery in the Heckler. The only day I used more was Sat when I had originally thought I'd be riding the analog bike and didn't completely recharge the Heckler from the previous day ride, so I didn't start with a full charge. And I rarely used more than 3/8 power level of the EP801, so I don't know if I really need a full-power bike either for a lot of mixed-bike riding I do.

That said, I'm still of the opinion that it's easier to make a full-power e-bike play in the low-power world than the other way around, so I say if you can only have one then full-power is the way to go.
 
Santapez said:
Willingness to pay is the max. The floor is set by competition between sellers and acceptable profit.

People may be willing to pay $10k for GX equipped bike but with 5 gazillion bike companies competing, that price will be lower.
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ah, still willingness to pay - if someone is willing to charge less for the same thing, then they don't need to pay it.

Willingness to sell/produce is your second note.

there is also life cycle - minimum production/max profit production -> sell cycle. charge max on release. back off, sale, fire sale. profit!

all good. 'mirca
 
Utah, I know absolutely nothing about motorcycles but my friend who bought his Indian Motorcycle was a scout model. Their website shows MSRP starting at $9999. He said he paid less than that so maybe an onsite discount.

Similarly a pivot shuttle LT MSRP is $15199 via their website…

But is buying a bike at MSRP similar to cars? Always negotiate X percentage below?
 
Gene said:
Utah, I know absolutely nothing about motorcycles but my friend who bought his Indian Motorcycle was a scout model. Their website shows MSRP starting at $9999. He said he paid less than that so maybe an onsite discount.

Similarly a pivot shuttle LT MSRP is $15199 via their website…

But is buying a bike at MSRP similar to cars? Always negotiate X percentage below?
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Drop the 1 from the beginning of that price and its pretty close to what i paid for my shuttle lt last year. Right time/ place for deals helps...bikes or other items. That and my irrational need for high end features isnt what it once was (thankfully)
 
shrpshtr325 said:
I would argue there is a lot that goes into the proce difference. But one of the biggest things that many overlook is the scale of production. There are many more motorcycle produced than bicycles which means the parts production is optimized well beyond that the bicycle market will ever be, especially with all the marginal improvements being constantly made on the bicycle side of the equation. I could go on but I'll spare you all that boring reading
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Im in manufacturing and it still blew me away when i heard ibis or someone say in a video how much it cost for the mold/jig/tooling for a carbon frame. Then they change it after 2 yrs or so
 
Fat Trout said:
Drop the 1 from the beginning of that price and its pretty close to what i paid for my shuttle lt last year. Right time/ place for deals helps...bikes or other items. That and my irrational need for high end features isnt what it once was (thankfully)
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I guess I bought at the peak for my trail 429
 
Gene said:
Utah, I know absolutely nothing about motorcycles but my friend who bought his Indian Motorcycle was a scout model. Their website shows MSRP starting at $9999. He said he paid less than that so maybe an onsite discount.

Similarly a pivot shuttle LT MSRP is $15199 via their website…

But is buying a bike at MSRP similar to cars? Always negotiate X percentage below?
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well thats the "Team XX Eagle Transmission Neo Live w/ Range Extender" I mean all of those extras, like live valve neo ($1000+), DT swiss carbon 1501 wheels (like 2gs alone)....Like you dont NEED that stuff...that is some fancy/pricey options you are paying for there.

Every bike company has been doing the $10,000+ halo version for a long time...hell, in 2012 when I bought my first carbon scalpel...the Ultimate black version was $10,000+......you dont HAVE to buy that version tho.
 
I really enjoy the relative nimbleness of a pedal bike, and given the huge expense, I simply don’t have the gumption to research and actually test ride something. It’s much easier to go to the skatepark.
 
stb222 said:
To me, e bikes are nothing but the industry needing to industry and create new items to sell. I think they have their place but i am sorta tired of hearing why i need one.
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I have a demo w your name on it. You will laugh your ass off.

Some stats from Sunday’s ride.

It’s not a free ride

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Show me a good 160mm travel eBike with 80-100nm of power and an 800w battery…
that is also under 45 lbs in a size large (with pedals 😑) and cost less that $6K.

That will be my first eBike.
 
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