It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?
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Captain Brainstorm
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You're not going to train your Type II muscle fibers (probably one of the most important parts of the workout) unless you turn the motor off on the steepest parts of the climbs, and who is doing that?
Curious if you’ve ridden one in the woods? 50+ pound bike with 2.6” sticky dh tires and I’m coming to a stop if I turn it off on the steep climbs.
Captain Brainstorm
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Yes, I have, several times, a Levo and an Ibis Oso. Every climb was easier. Was I sweating, sure I was, because I was pushing, everything was just happening much faster going up. I could also just lay back and cruise up the climbs without breaking that much of a sweat. And that's my point. Sure, I could push and get a good cardio workout, but I was never at threshold like I am on my regular bike, and I sure as shit never went quad burning anaerobic like I do on the crux moves going uphill like I do on my bike. Though I suppose if you turn the motor off, that will happen.
I honestly don't think most people realize how adjustable the assist is on the better ebikes. Set Eco form 5-10% assist and I don't think you're flying up anything steep. Sure, if the assist is higher you can.
Captain Brainstorm
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Maybe for you they are. I can easily do a tempo ride on an MTB, and I’m not even in great shape, although it’s much easier to do a controlled tempo on a road bike.
I was doing climbs way faster than I did on my bike, even by lowering the assist, it was still easier. Going downhill required an adjustment to my timing, but once I built up enough speed the extra weight allowed me to just smash through things.
Another one for the ignore list…. Bye
Really?
Opinions are like assholes everyone's got one. Captain likes to stir the ebike pot. It's all good. You happy I'm happy he's happy
Ride what you got like you stole it.
One persons pot stirrer is another person’s troll
What were the settings on the app? I mean Eco is only Eco if you set it that way in the app.
Fat Trout
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Yup....to each his own should be the thing. Its the same in many sports self proclaimed purists need to comment against the sport.
Fishing has fly fishing vs other gear and opposing factions on flyfishing itself (spey / other)
Hunting had Compound vs recurve...now crossbow vs all.
Biking had full suspension vs hardtail so now ebike vs analog. Waiting for hardtail ebike vs others lol.
Many pot stirrers forget that active engagement in the sport and recruitment of new participants (and keeping legacy participants...true for all above mentioned) benefits all especially when resource management is based on participant numbers. All who change their mind should be welcome. Opposing views are fine, find your appropriate thread. A little more live and let live as you suggest would help us all.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
🤣 👆🏻 Exactly.
Ebikes are here to stay. This was the first summer that we really sold an eike at least every couple of days. The truth is they were not that good before. They will still evolve a lot and we will all benefit as they do. Without specific data to back how hard or what level of fitness I am losing or gaining, I will say that without a doubt that my e-bike rides are almost always 3 hours or more. This for me means that I am spending more time discovering new trails, riding trails the dumb direction and just plain having a good time.
One of my neighbors bought a ebike last spring. He was a occasional biker in the past, and frankly he didn't have the fitness to ride anything more ambitious than an hr at a place like 6mr. This summer I dragged him out to a bunch of parks that he never visited before that I doubt he would have ever seen. It has been a boost to our friendship and to his life as he has commented to me many times.
A second friend has been suffering with a mysterious autoimmune issue for a decade. He was once a very strong rider, but his illness made him quit entirely. I encouraged him to try an ebike last spring and he finally bought one. It sincerely changed his life. He is back riding at least a few times a week and exploring parks that he had never ridden when he rode before getting sick. This to me is the greatest success story of ebikes.
On the sales floor in the shop, we see super negative comments from the uneducated shoppers daily. The most common is that it is cheating. I don't really get that, but I always ask if they have ever been on a 2-3 hr, singletrack ride in hilly terrain on a e-bike. They always say no. I just ask that anyone hold back a blanket judgement until they do so. We will continue to stock a ebike demos and our sales flor now has over 20 performance ebikes vs the 2 or three we had just couple of years ago.
Ebike tech is impacting bike parts in a positive way that is happening. Sram's transmission group is great example. They saw that the prior eagle groups couldn't really handle the power of an ebike under load. Transmission does shift a bit slower, but it is unquestionably tougher and you can shift it under full power without a hiccup. Tires, brakes, bars, etc are all being thrashed by ebikes. I am sure this is keeping all the engineers on their toes as they see new demands put on their parts. This can only be a win for all of us as parts get more durable in the future.
Clearly this isn't for everyone. Just like not everyone sees the appeal of a DH, road, gravel, tri, bmx, touring or unicycle. The important thing is that ebikes are building engagement and awareness of cycling in the greater public. More users isn't always good, but I think that generally it is more good than bad.
See you out there.
One of my neighbors bought a ebike last spring. He was a occasional biker in the past, and frankly he didn't have the fitness to ride anything more ambitious than an hr at a place like 6mr. This summer I dragged him out to a bunch of parks that he never visited before that I doubt he would have ever seen. It has been a boost to our friendship and to his life as he has commented to me many times.
A second friend has been suffering with a mysterious autoimmune issue for a decade. He was once a very strong rider, but his illness made him quit entirely. I encouraged him to try an ebike last spring and he finally bought one. It sincerely changed his life. He is back riding at least a few times a week and exploring parks that he had never ridden when he rode before getting sick. This to me is the greatest success story of ebikes.
On the sales floor in the shop, we see super negative comments from the uneducated shoppers daily. The most common is that it is cheating. I don't really get that, but I always ask if they have ever been on a 2-3 hr, singletrack ride in hilly terrain on a e-bike. They always say no. I just ask that anyone hold back a blanket judgement until they do so. We will continue to stock a ebike demos and our sales flor now has over 20 performance ebikes vs the 2 or three we had just couple of years ago.
Ebike tech is impacting bike parts in a positive way that is happening. Sram's transmission group is great example. They saw that the prior eagle groups couldn't really handle the power of an ebike under load. Transmission does shift a bit slower, but it is unquestionably tougher and you can shift it under full power without a hiccup. Tires, brakes, bars, etc are all being thrashed by ebikes. I am sure this is keeping all the engineers on their toes as they see new demands put on their parts. This can only be a win for all of us as parts get more durable in the future.
Clearly this isn't for everyone. Just like not everyone sees the appeal of a DH, road, gravel, tri, bmx, touring or unicycle. The important thing is that ebikes are building engagement and awareness of cycling in the greater public. More users isn't always good, but I think that generally it is more good than bad.
See you out there.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
I'm considering an eReel.
goodvibe
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I didn't get an eMTB, but I did pick up a Trek Allant for commuting. I tell you the days that I don't drive my car are wonderful. I get to work and I am not stressed out from driving behind a-holes doing 20 in a 40 and I have some blood moving when I get to work making it a better day. I was against it, until I got this and I use it as a car replacement.
Captain Brainstorm
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TBH, I didn’t download any app for an hour demo ride, so I just went with what was preset. I’m just not the target audience for these things, my mindset is different. I need to suffer, and do, on every ride. And I need to clean features unassisted. And despite the smashability on the descents, I prefer a lighter bike that I can throw around.
There is truth to this. I’m fly only for trout, but spin and casting for bass, as in I rig up 3-4 different sticks.
Oh please! Go home and sob softly into your pillow.
I guess so. 30+ years of selling bikes and i can't recall a single person ever saying their goal for buying a bike and riding was to suffer every time they ride a bike. You do you.