It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?

Is an Emtb in your near future?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 7.8%

  • No

    Votes: 52 40.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 21 16.4%

  • Never

    Votes: 11 8.6%

  • Already own one

    Votes: 34 26.6%
  • Total voters
    128
jmanic said:
Question about storage: my only option is an un-insulated garage (read: hot AF, except winter, when it’s cold AF)

Should I be removing the battery in between rides?
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During winter months I bring my bike indoors because the battery pack in my bike isn't easily removed. If I know I won't be riding it for a while then I keep the charge at between 20% to 80%. Don't store it with too little or too much charge.
 
Jdog...
Any chance of Amflow dealership in the foreseeable future?

3 weeks ago a shop in Westchester Cty NY was the sole dealer on the east coast...and now Piedmont in Rockland last week entered the picture. They’re creeping closer to the Garden State! 😊🚴‍♂️
 
VelocityboyII said:
Jdog...
Any chance of Amflow dealership in the foreseeable future?

3 weeks ago a shop in Westchester Cty NY was the sole dealer on the east coast...and now Piedmont in Rockland last week entered the picture. They’re creeping closer to the Garden State! 😊🚴‍♂️
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They approached me and my spidey senses were going off like crazy. Everything about it felt like a scam. Total pressure move.. Felt gross in all ways.

All of my brand successes come backed with solid personal relationships. This was not that in the slightest.

It is rumored that they will fold that brand once they gain market share w their drive unit. This comes from the various OEMs that are in the know. I do not expect long term customer support for this brand. Likely the drive unit, but not the actual amflow bike. Maybe after they work out the bugs, but I am not beta testing bikes on my long term customers on a first year product with questionable customer service.

..And yes, I have ridden it. The drive unit is impressive but the Amflow bike is less so IMO. Felt loose and flimsy.


This drive unit WILL fully smoke drivetrains in record time.. especially shimano. Their stuff simple can't take it. (i have seen countless shimano cassettes and chains folded this year on 85n and lower ebikes. I would look to replace at least 2-4 Sram transmission chains yearly with this power output and very likely 2+ cassettes. A cass a year is not uncommon on 85nm and 15% more power means at least 15% faster wear.

Even Bosch won't sell their unit as stock at 100NM. You have to opt in and acknowledge that you take responsibility for increased component wear. Most riders can't frankly handle these number in the woods. Some can for sure. As an experienced off road moto guy myself, it's pretty straightforward, but for many this is not a reasonable amount for power. I have run 4 ebike demos in the last year and most riders come back with very little power use. Most say the top power modes are too fast for their use. While I am sure that some people can use 100MN + to all of it's potential, I am curious who really needs it.

I am also slightly fearful of the creep into higher power with regards to how in could negatively impact trail access. There are those who certainly would love to ban ebikes outright and faster/ more powerful drive units are not making us look like angels on the trail. That said, i'm sure I will spend more time on a 100nm bosch bike in the next few months.

If someone wants one, they will surely sell me one, but nothing about their interactions thus far feel warm and fuzzy. Much more like the many online companies I interact with where it is literally impossible to get a human on the phone..

and yes, I could be wrong.
 
jdog said:
This drive unit WILL fully smoke drivetrains in record time.. especially shimano. Their stuff simple can't take it. (i have seen countless shimano cassettes and chains folded this year on 85n and lower ebikes. I would look to replace at least 2-4 Sram transmission chains yearly with this power output and very likely 2+ cassettes. A cass a year is not uncommon on 85nm and 15% more power means at least 15% faster wear.
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That include Linkglide? Are all the manufacturers still selling 12 speed cassettes with aluminum gears on all these bikes?

I'd assume on the e-bikes, especially more powerful all steel would be the way to go, but then again at the higher price points people likely care about weight and group level.
 
Santapez said:
That include Linkglide? Are all the manufacturers still selling 12 speed cassettes with aluminum gears on all these bikes?

I'd assume on the e-bikes, especially more powerful all steel would be the way to go, but then again at the higher price points people likely care about weight and group level.
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Almost nothing comes w linkglide out of the box. I wish it did.
 
jdog said:
Almost nothing comes w linkglide out of the box. I wish it did.
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Obviously a cost point but what's crazy Linkglide is not an expensive upgrade. I've been super happy with this drive unit and totally plan on moving to the wireless, because well you know stupid headset routing.
 
Interesting points on Amflow, eMTB, and components as a whole. I know for sure I don't need 100nm nor do I ever want to go fast enough to require it. My comfort and skill level are way below that. As for components, knowing how quickly eMTBs chew up drive train I don't understand why they (Shimano and SRAM) are still sticking to 12-speed drives for eMTBs, especially the full power ones. I don't think you really need all those gears when you have a powerful motor to take up the slack. I'm thinking 8-speeds with beefier steel cassettes, chains, and chain rings for full power eMTBs would be better. Who is really going to notice one extra pound on an already heavy 45-55 lb. bike? But of course the big Ss will never do that because they want people to keep buying their expensive drive trains. I'm hoping smaller guys like Advent or Box will jump on that opportunity.
 
The Levo4 is 101nM. Don’t have tons of them out in the wild yet but I’m curious to see if they blow up drivetrains.
 
tonyride said:
Interesting points on Amflow, eMTB, and components as a whole. I know for sure I don't need 100nm nor do I ever want to go fast enough to require it. My comfort and skill level are way below that. As for components, knowing how quickly eMTBs chew up drive train I don't understand why they (Shimano and SRAM) are still sticking to 12-speed drives for eMTBs, especially the full power ones. I don't think you really need all those gears when you have a powerful motor to take up the slack. I'm thinking 8-speeds with beefier steel cassettes, chains, and chain rings for full power eMTBs would be better. Who is really going to notice one extra pound on an already heavy 45-55 lb. bike? But of course the big Ss will never do that because they want people to keep buying their expensive drive trains. I'm hoping smaller guys like Advent or Box will jump on that opportunity.
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That's basically Linkglide. Steel and available in 10 or 11 speed with most of the parts interchangeable. 11 speed is 11-50T while 10 speed is only 10-43T.
 
Santapez said:
That's basically Linkglide. Steel and available in 10 or 11 speed with most of the parts interchangeable. 11 speed is 11-50T while 10 speed is only 10-43T.
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Yup running 11 LG on full power and 10 LG on half power. Just wanted to see wear difference. Advent X cassette folded like a cheap suit time after time.
 
I run a Sram nx 11-50 cassette and a kmc e bike 12 speed chain. I change the chain every 500miles, the cassette has 2000 miles on it and it’s still good. Old 90 nm Brose though.
 
scott62 said:
I run a Sram nx 11-50 cassette and a kmc e bike 12 speed chain. I change the chain every 500miles, the cassette has 2000 miles on it and it’s still good. Old 90 nm Brose though.
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Doesn't the NX cassette use the Shimano HG free body? Or is that just eh SX?
 
I've been using heavier chain lube with good success. Superlube oil. It's a little messy but the chain is silent and lasts forever even with significant power. If you like your chains and cassettes to last i would recommend it. Ditch the aluminum cassettes too.
 
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26''_Ripper said:
What's the difference between the CX5 and the CX5 race motor? All I could find was the CX race motor is lighter and has ceramic bearings that's it.
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Google Ai says:

BDU386Y vs BDU384Y
The BDU386Y (Performance Line CX-R) and
BDU384Y
(Performance Line CX) are high-performance e-bike drive units from Bosch that share core characteristics but are differentiated by weight and specialized tuning for racing applications. The BDU386Y is the top-tier, race-oriented version, while the BDU384Y is the standard flagship e-MTB motor.
Key differences

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Shared characteristics
Despite their differences, both motors are part of the Bosch Smart System and share several high-performance specifications:
  • Maximum torque: 100 Nm.
  • Maximum support: 400% of the rider's input.
  • Maximum power: 750 watts.
  • eMTB+ mode: Both are capable of using the eMTB+ mode, which provides a powerful and controllable riding experience on trails.
How to choose
Your choice depends on your riding style and budget:

  • Choose the
    BDU386Y
    if you are a competitive racer or an advanced trail rider who wants the lightest motor with the most direct, aggressive power delivery.
  • Choose the
    BDU384Y
    if you are a dedicated e-MTB rider seeking one of the best and quietest motors on the market for agile trail riding. It offers excellent performance at a potentially lower cost than the race-spec version.
 
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