Own a Piece of Mooch (sort of)

serviceguy

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Like 50 bucks. Would that work?
Can you talk Elon and Mark into beat each other to a pulp at the next JORBAFest and donate the money to JORBA instead of dumping it on some pesky Italian charity that will go through it in a Jiffy pretending to educate disadvantaged children? That should definitely pay for the land on sale here...
 

SmooveP

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This is from the listing description:
Unique land opportunity recreational or forestry use such as hiking, biking or timbering.. Suited for a non-profit organization or environment group. The property lots are accessible via the northern side of Waterloo Road and surround the MASR camp on three sides in a horseshoe shape. Physical characteristics of the property include irregular shape, heavy woodlands with strong sloping topography from south at 700 MSL to northwest at 1, 222 MSL, It is subject to a conservation easement by the NJDEP which restricts use of property. Unique environmental features include two large wetland areas that encompass 10% of the property and are unspoiled by development. Historical features include lime kilns, the East West Jersey line, and legendary Native American sites.
It’s basically a large plot of land that’s really not developable. (Sic)
Seems to me that it's an ideal candidate for the state to buy it since it abuts land they already own. Maybe not in the budget currently?
 

Santapez

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Team MTBNJ Halter's
You're right, I looked it up on njparcels. I'm gonna guess it may have something to do with this:
I was going to make a joke about letting child abuse go unchecked in the 70's coming back to bite them and decided it was in bad taste. Guess I wasn't actually off on that.

Considering the housing shortage and how close this is to 80 it's probably a great spot for townhouses. Could do a loop at both connection points to the main road with spurs off it for townhouses.

I prefer bike park. Any Waltons in NJ?
 

serviceguy

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Seems to me that it's an ideal candidate for the state to buy it since it abuts land they already own. Maybe not in the budget currently?
They (being the State of NJ) don't own it or BSA would not sell it. They do control how it can be used (or rather not used) through NJDEP on the other hand, which doesn't make any sense for the State to actually buy it, no?
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
They (being the State of NJ) don't own it or BSA would not sell it. They do control how it can be used (or rather not used) through NJDEP on the other hand, which doesn't make any sense for the State to actually buy it, no?

"They" have an open space budget, as do the counties and towns. It also makes more sense for the "people" to own it rather than a private investor because of NJ tort law and the trails that already go through there.

Proper thing to do would be to buy it, then donate it to expand the parks already there.
Maybe the Walton's would like to expand NJ MTBing??
 

SmooveP

Well-Known Member
They (being the State of NJ) don't own it or BSA would not sell it. They do control how it can be used (or rather not used) through NJDEP on the other hand, which doesn't make any sense for the State to actually buy it, no?
Of course the state doesn't own it. I'm saying they'd be a likely candidate to buy it since they own the park property that abuts the parcels that are up for sale. I'd guess that the BSA has already explored this and it didn't work out for some reason. Seems like finding a private buyer might be tough. There are heavy deed restrictions, wetlands, and the property is a weird shape with little frontage on any road.
 

serviceguy

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Of course the state doesn't own it. I'm saying they'd be a likely candidate to buy it since they own the park property that abuts the parcels that are up for sale. I'd guess that the BSA has already explored this and it didn't work out for some reason. Seems like finding a private buyer might be tough. There are heavy deed restrictions, wetlands, and the property is a weird shape with little frontage on any road.
Sorry, I misunderstood part of your post. Still I don’t see why the State would want to buy it or could buy it, given they fail to proper finance the parks ‘they’ already own. A private purchase to donate to the State seems the most likely outcome. Are there specific fiscal advantages from the point of view of a business willing to step in? Could be a good selling point…
 

ryderX

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Sorry, I misunderstood part of your post. Still I don’t see why the State would want to buy it or could buy it, given they fail to proper finance the parks ‘they’ already own. A private purchase to donate to the State seems the most likely outcome. Are there specific fiscal advantages from the point of view of a business willing to step in? Could be a good selling point…
I feel just the opposite- that state has an every reason and the resources to purchase it. I’m guessing the public listing of the parcel is a requirement or something related to the “sunshine law(s)”.
 

serviceguy

Well-Known Member
I feel just the opposite- that state has an every reason and the resources to purchase it. I’m guessing the public listing of the parcel is a requirement or something related to the “sunshine law(s)”.
Not sure about the reasons but the resources? They can’t even afford 1 park police officer in each park as it is.
 

goldsbar

Well-Known Member
Clearly park maintenance and patrolling are very low on the state priorities. However, I'd rather see the state purchase it for an immaterial amount of money ($1+ million is a rounding error) than take a risk of development. Yes, there are environmental restrictions and it's not the easiest land to build on. In the game of power politics and bending the rules, if there's one thing that trumps environmental concerns, it's affordable housing. Just wait until those steep hillsides are covered with high density condo units. Maybe they'll name the main road "Ice Cream" as a tribute to what was once there. They can give every resident a free ATV to tear up the rest of the trails. That's my dystopian MTB future at any rate.
 

SmooveP

Well-Known Member
Different funding sources.
Yeah, there's definitely a disconnect between acquisition and maintenance/operations. In general, the public in NJ is supportive of open space initiatives. When there's an open space question on the ballot, it's almost always approved. Every county has open space trust funds and the state has the Green Acres program. But there does seem to be less appetite for actually running the parks, at least at the state level. They were even talking about cuts to parks in the last few years when they had a budget surplus. They may justify that by saying the parks are under-utilized, which seems true here in Sussex County. There are some really nice state parks that feel dead, even during peak season. That's just my observation though. I don't have any statistics to back that up.
 

serviceguy

Well-Known Member
Different funding sources.
Yeah, there's definitely a disconnect between acquisition and maintenance/operations. In general, the public in NJ is supportive of open space initiatives. When there's an open space question on the ballot, it's almost always approved. Every county has open space trust funds and the state has the Green Acres program. But there does seem to be less appetite for actually running the parks, at least at the state level. They were even talking about cuts to parks in the last few years when they had a budget surplus. They may justify that by saying the parks are under-utilized, which seems true here in Sussex County. There are some really nice state parks that feel dead, even during peak season. That's just my observation though. I don't have any statistics to back that up.
Kind of points to an absurd budget practice, kind of like buying a car you can’t afford to buy the gasoline to run it. But I do get what you’re saying.
 

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