the NOT SO official 27.5+ thread.

27+??

  • On my radar!!

  • No clue?

  • NOT ANOTHER WHEEEEEEEL SIZE!!!

  • 26 forever! This is just aploy to sell more bikes!

  • Full fatty only

  • I quit riding and just troll

  • 29 4-eva

  • 27.5 regular /non-plus


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Kind of hard to take results when you're testing it on a bike that was designed around 29er wheels and tires and trying to adapt 27+ and expect better or similar results.

Reading this whole thread makes it clear the retrofitting 29ers to 27+ technically works but not as well as factory specific 27+ bikes. Which is to be expected. Im sure there would be benefits on going larger wider tires with lower pressures but comparisons wouldn't be fair.

Would be nice to have both wheelsets and Just go back and forth as need arises. That would be the conclusion I would end up with.
 
Kind of hard to take results when you're testing it on a bike that was designed around 29er wheels and tires and trying to adapt 27+ and expect better or similar results.

Reading this whole thread makes it clear the retrofitting 29ers to 27+ technically works but not as well as factory specific 27+ bikes. Which is to be expected. Im sure there would be benefits on going larger wider tires with lower pressures but comparisons wouldn't be fair.

Would be nice to have both wheelsets and Just go back and forth as need arises. That would be the conclusion I would end up with.

Not sure who you are addressing this to but my bike is technically a 29er but designed for 29 and 27.5+. Salsa basically sells one as a horsethief, the other as a pony rustler with different paint job. Everything else is identical.
 
Was a conclusion like I said after reading the entire thread. But that's awesome to have 2 sets of wheels for what trail you're planning to go on.

I was gonna try the 27 plus route on my old 29er but it was a compromise that didn't materialize.

Read some awesome reviews here on dedicated plus bikes which has me wanting to try one soon.
 
Kind of hard to take results when you're testing it on a bike that was designed around 29er wheels and tires and trying to adapt 27+ and expect better or similar results.

Reading this whole thread makes it clear the retrofitting 29ers to 27+ technically works but not as well as factory specific 27+ bikes. Which is to be expected. Im sure there would be benefits on going larger wider tires with lower pressures but comparisons wouldn't be fair.

Would be nice to have both wheelsets and Just go back and forth as need arises. That would be the conclusion I would end up with.

I think the tricky part with setting up a bike for both is the fork. Technically, a "true" 27.5+ bike would have a dedicated "plus" fork, which these days use a 110mm hub vs. the 100mm hub most 29er forks use. I suppose I could build a custom 29" wheel with a 110 x 15 hub, but I don't know how much I'd use it. At least with my Vassago, I've decided I really want a more race-oriented frame for 29" wheels.

As an update, I finally built up my Vassago Ver Hauen with Sun-Ringle Mulefut 50 wheels and a new Manitou Magnum fork. I haven't had a chance to ride it yet, but so far my opinion is mixed. The frame has sliding drop-outs and I had to slide the wheel back about 3/4" to get some half decent tire clearance with the frame, and even then it's still rather tight at maybe 1/4".

I'll hopefully have ride report update in a week or so. For better or worse, I've only been riding the DH and road bikes lately.
 
@jdog any info on the switch up on some of the tallboy 3 parts? I like where they went but surprised they switched it up so soon after the release.
 
@jdog any info on the switch up on some of the tallboy 3 parts? I like where they went but surprised they switched it up so soon after the release.


The tall has been their #1 volume bike. You will note that it is the only dual sus bike they build in XXL. This is their do all bike and with two sets of wheels it does even more.

The new alloy frames have the same fit and pretty close feel to the carbon bikes. The Lower spec and alloy frame get you a few options below 3k which will be welcome.


Look for a hardtail 27+ offering in the not too distant future as well.


Lots of good choices here
 
The tall has been their #1 volume bike. You will note that it is the only dual sus bike they build in XXL. This is their do all bike and with two sets of wheels it does even more.

The new alloy frames have the same fit and pretty close feel to the carbon bikes. The Lower spec and alloy frame get you a few options below 3k which will be welcome.


Look for a hardtail 27+ offering in the not too distant future as well.


Lots of good choices here

Does your shop have a TB3 in the 27.5+ as a demo by chance?
 
B+ on my fatbike rocks. i havent had the fat wheels on since i built them up for arizona
Wait till you try some skinny 29" wheels!

How have you been? Are you waiting out the heat to start riding centuries every other day?
 
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Specialized 6fattie FSR Stumpjumper Comp (Aluminum) First thoughts:



I started to consider this bike at the beginning of 2016, when @treeman picked one up in carbon and was quite happy. My thought was that the combination of generous tires and full squish would be an easier every day ride on my back than my FS Tallboy (race bike) or hardtail Fatboy (SNOW, mud, backup). I don’t have any back problems at age 61, but I like to ride six days a week with 3-4 of those rides on trails and some of those MTB rides are up to three hours.



Besides the OEM specs, Jim at Hilltop set it up with a Thompson carbon bar and matching stem, Nextie Jungle Fox 52mm rims with I9 hubs and the Vittoria Bomboloni 3” tires running tubeless, instead of the OEM GC and Purgatory. Total weight is 30.1 lbs with pedals. The seat is an S2 last from Selle Italia. YBMV…


I have four rides on the 27+ so far. First ride was a 12 mile shake out ride at low intensity effort that my wife insisted I take. One of my first thoughts after 800 yards is that the nose was really long, but that is something I am used to now. The picture is before the four mile mark. (Whoops, forgot to get a water bottle cage and a bell.)

The second ride was a three hour, 26 mile effort with one five minute effort that was somewhat successful at generating a good result. Two thirds of the way through the ride, I brought it to the shop for some more tweaks.


That same evening, I did 12 miles at Fun Monday at Chimney Rock, rolling out of the Ballfield lot. It is usually difficult for me to hang with this ride even at a very high effort level, however, there were a lot of new faces and, because it is a no-drop ride, I could hang. The crazy thing was that one of guys who showed up was a “Fat is the only way to go” bud, who was rolling the same bike in the same matte orange (Gallardo) color. Every few minutes, @goodvibe said something along the lines of “I really like this bike”.


On the rocky CR trails, especially High Tech Vosseller, the 6fattie was very capable. It steps over boulders with 160mm of travel up front. The 3’’ tires cruise over the chunder of rock carpeted trail. The biggest surprise is that it climbed those switchbacks easily. I had the tire pressure at 14 lbs, which was too high, causing a slip out on the steepest left hand switchback. Next time, I would take it down to 12.5 PSI or lower. Coming down from Miller to Gilbride, the bike excelled.


The next day, my back felt fine. I did some low intensity rail trail with a couple of guys, then about five miles of the Nassau trails east of High Bridge. The Specialized dropper post, which I have never had before, is still not perfect, but that is the only complaint that I have about the 6fattie. That will get resolved in the next week or so.


The bike is faster than I expected and as comfortable as I had hoped. The bottom bracket is a bit lower than the Tallboy and I have had a couple more pedal strikes in the first 50 miles of single track than normal, but I am such a conservative rider that I probably don’t have “enough” pedal strikes. Dialing this bike in will be an enjoyable process.



Spec 6fattie Stumpjumper FSR Aluminum



Follow up @ 411 miles



Things I like about this bike:


Climbs surprisingly well and fast. This is the biggest surprise.

Faster on the descents because it will handle so much terrain.

Very comfortable.

I like the dropper on steep descents.

Excellent on chunky trails and babyheads. Also, big technical stuff.

Some lady hiker walking by with her friend said: “Now that’s a trail bike!”



After three months, I am appreciating this bike more and more. I averaged 50 hours in the saddle in May, June and July and will wind up with about 35 hours in August. 80-90% of those were on this 6fattie.


After 7 rides, Hilltop warrantied the OEM dropper seat post and the replacement Command Post has been perfect. This weekend it got more air pressure to revive its spring back to full upright. They replaced the rear brake pads at 311 miles (@treeman “Don’t use your brakes on the downhills.”), but everything else works perfectly. A mild drawback that is eclipsed by the stable ride provided by the low BB is more pedal strikes, but we are learning to ratchet the pedals more, and the number of strikes are decreasing. 6fattie is a minute or so slower on, say, the full blue trail at Six Mile. Put a big dent in bottom of the right seat stay chasing @goodvibe around some rocks, which made me glad that it wasn’t a crabon frame.


Overall, very happy with this bike.

NUCK TATT review: GOOD BIKE.
 
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So glad to be apart of this thread. Less than a week of ownership in with 70+ on my Rocky Mountain Pipeline, thus far I have ridden the following venues:

  • Chimney Rock
  • Hartshorne
  • Allaire

The longest ride to date has been a 38 mile social pedal, where the bike performed flawlessly.

I have found the tire size easy to manage as well as offering gobs of traction. My 2.8's don't feel to far off of a normal bike tire, but then again most miles I have ridden in the last year are on a 3.8" Knard, 3.0 Knard or 2.4" High Roller II. Tire pressure is key and I am still trying to figure out the best settings.

Overall the bike rips, this can easily take over as my daily driver from my fatty.
 
Finally! I rode the VerHauen in 27.5+ mode over the weekend. And a 18.5 mile loop at Kingdom Trails, no less. I still have some tweaking to do but overall it felt good. Despite it being a rather heavy steel bike, it climbs well. Having a dropper post on a hardtail rocks.

For those of you running 27.5+, what kind of tire pressures are you running (tubeless)? The literature that came with my MuleFut 50 wheels recommended pressures between 30-50 psi, which seems really high. So I initially ran them at my "default" tubeless pressure of 28 psi. Needless to say, this also felt really high. For my next ride I'll try dropping down to 25.
 
Finally! I rode the VerHauen in 27.5+ mode over the weekend. And a 18.5 mile loop at Kingdom Trails, no less. I still have some tweaking to do but overall it felt good. Despite it being a rather heavy steel bike, it climbs well. Having a dropper post on a hardtail rocks.

For those of you running 27.5+, what kind of tire pressures are you running (tubeless)? The literature that came with my MuleFut 50 wheels recommended pressures between 30-50 psi, which seems really high. So I initially ran them at my "default" tubeless pressure of 28 psi. Needless to say, this also felt really high. For my next ride I'll try dropping down to 25.
I honestly have been going stupid low.

I've giving up Trying to get a proper reading on it.

20ish
 
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