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I just text my wife what I want, it's basically the same thing.
Mahnken
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Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston says its policy won't allow DJ Ferguson to have the surgery since not being vaccinated seriously hurts its chances for success and his long-term outlook.
www.cbsnews.com
thegock
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Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston says its policy won't allow DJ Ferguson to have the surgery since not being vaccinated seriously hurts its chances for success and his long-term outlook.
As my breaux Bugs liked to say: "What a maroon."
jeez, even if I were totally against the vaccine, I'd make an exception in this case!Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston says its policy won't allow DJ Ferguson to have the surgery since not being vaccinated seriously hurts its chances for success and his long-term outlook.
thegock
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But, whatever information that I am spreading, the peeps who rely upon it don't die.
So I got that going for me. As opposed to having to apologize to the families of the dead, who had relied on misinformation spread by what appear to be stone cold idiots. Like the guy with the black hat and the red jacket with Russ.
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Rather hear Neil Young than Rogan, but I don't think he has a shot.
He may start a trend though. I can see other artists getting guilted into making a statement by taking their library off Spotify.
That could lead to Spotify censoring JR, or him leaving the platform.
I’m not really sure how any of that works though. Maybe I’m way off base.
Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston says its policy won't allow DJ Ferguson to have the surgery since not being vaccinated seriously hurts its chances for success and his long-term outlook.
That’s basically the absolute worst of both sides of the argument. Hopefully the guy gets his transplant one way or the other.
I think you can probably make a pretty strong argument that the vaccine is necessary for someone who will be severely immunocompromised post-transplant, especially given how likely he is to contract it.
"Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off," Caplan said. "The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving."
Mahnken
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That's the thing, why is it even an argument? These political misinformation campaigns are causing all this. In this guy's case, he has a choice, get the vaccine and an opportunity to keep on living or die. And not in an "we're all gonna die eventually" kinda way, but in a very soon kinda way. Yet that's the hill he wants to die on? With no reason except he doesn't believe in the vaccine? This is how mind fucked these people have become. There's medical indications to get it for him, he literally can not become vaccinated after a transplant. He can get the shot, but his immune system would be fucked and it literally wouldn't do anything. Anyone with a transplant should be getting evushield for prophylactic covid protection, but he's not in that position. So he's literally going to die for a political choice. Baffles my brain
It "goes against his basic principles".
His basic principles allow for the transfer of another human being's heart into his body, and undoubtedly taking many, many medications associated with the transplant and his current condition. However, those principles draw a hard line at getting a vaccine to reduce the changes that he dies of COVID post transplant while there are many other deserving people waiting on transplants. This is a strange set of principles.
rick81721
Lothar
You assume politics are the reason. People refuse vaccines for many reasons. Doesn't sound like it if you read this:
https://www.wcvb.com/article/brigha...t-transplant-over-vaccination-status/38891100
Mahnken
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You're dead wrong on this. Rare side effects are his concern? Worse side effects from the drugs he's currently taking and will have to take after a transplant. This ONE drug he doesn't trust? Bullshit. Political bullshit. How about he listens to his doctors about his risks instead of Joe Rogan.
rick81721
Lothar
Haha another mind reader. Stick to facts please, not ASSumptions.
You're right. Not political.. Just an idiot.
"Ferguson, a 31-year-old father of two, opted not to get vaccinated because of concerns over rare side effects,"
Wait until he reads about all the "rare side effects" of all the shit they'll give him before the surgery, during the surgery, after the surgery, as well as the risks of the surgery itself, and then all the shit he'll need to take post surgery for weeks/months/years/forever.
It sounds callous, but the heart should move to the next on the list.
100%.
Vaccine is seriously the least worry some of all the medications he'll be on, and he'll be on those for the rest of his life.
Organ transplants are a big deal and it bothers me when you hear stories of people getting a liver transplant due to lifestyle choices and then continue with the new liver. This guy may be taking a heart from someone who deserves it more.
Mahnken
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We'll see. He's scheduled to get an LVAD. His issue, he says, is that he's afraid his heart will become inflamed with the shot and it'll possibly kill him. The doctors aren't denying this, because risks are risks. He currently has a pump assisting his heart that he needed emergently and will be getting the LVAD within the week. If he still refuses the shot after he gets the LVAD, purely political. Considering he was unaware of his situation prior to this past November, and hasn't gotten the shot before then even though it has been widely available, leads me to believe it's a political choice. My body, my choice. I feel for the guy, but seriously, just listen to your damn doctors.
I understand the vaccine/heart issue problem - any vax, not just this one, it is real.
It is the situation he is in that makes his choice untenable.
There is a chance of dying from the vaccine, even tho it is going to be administered in a hospital environment for this person because of the risk.
So let's call it a "small chance"
At time goes by, the chance of dying from the failing heart goes up until ded. Drs probably have a known distribution of time left.
Does the chance of the vax taking him out go up as the heart fails? (i dunno)
Where is the cross-over point? Obviously he hasn't reached it.
Can't be sitting there at the last minute and say i should have gotten vaxxed.
It really isn't political at all - poor decision making? Sure. But he is making it for himself.
As pointed out, he shouldn't be making it about the hospital and their criteria when 1 easily remedied item is DQing him.
EDIT: if he didn't know he had a heart issue until 11/2021 he is using the heart thing as an excuse to buoy his unpopular stance. Agree.
It is the situation he is in that makes his choice untenable.
There is a chance of dying from the vaccine, even tho it is going to be administered in a hospital environment for this person because of the risk.
So let's call it a "small chance"
At time goes by, the chance of dying from the failing heart goes up until ded. Drs probably have a known distribution of time left.
Does the chance of the vax taking him out go up as the heart fails? (i dunno)
Where is the cross-over point? Obviously he hasn't reached it.
Can't be sitting there at the last minute and say i should have gotten vaxxed.
It really isn't political at all - poor decision making? Sure. But he is making it for himself.
As pointed out, he shouldn't be making it about the hospital and their criteria when 1 easily remedied item is DQing him.
EDIT: if he didn't know he had a heart issue until 11/2021 he is using the heart thing as an excuse to buoy his unpopular stance. Agree.
rick81721
Lothar
It might be, it might not. The facts: 76% of the US population is at least partially vaccinated. In the large country developed world, the percentage ranges from 70 to 87%. So all these global non-vaxxed are political? Silly.
