Purl
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Well this is interesting. I thought I remember hearing Giant is one of the largest frame manufactures for a lot of other brands too.
Withhold Release on Giant Bikes and Parts
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Well this is interesting. I thought I remember hearing Giant is one of the largest frame manufactures for a lot of other brands too.
Did you read the article?
serviceguy
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I did. What surprises me a little is that this action is taken against a Taiwanese manufacturer and not one of the Chinese ones that we were made aware of. Probably due to the size of the Company? That said Giant seems to have a documented history of unfair labor practices especially against foreign workers such as poor working conditions and recruitment fees etc. with not much effort to correct it (says the interwebs).
Most likely a thread I will be blocking soon...
i did...the official reason is forced labor. With this administration, you must be skeptical of "the truth".
Ok
I never realized they had a history of this. And I agree the Chinese need to be held to the same standard.
serviceguy
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I would just say 'everybody else need to be held to the same standard'...and not just the bike industry either.
True I also agree that they aren’t the only culprit but I think they are one of the worst by a large margin. Take Amazon, between the fake items and the “copied” (stolen intellectual IMHO) products, all of it comes from China.
Edit: I don’t believe that products that cheap can be produced without using that type of workers.
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w_b
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Our German automation equipment can be designed and assembled, tested in Germany then shipped to China to run for 680000 euros. That’s a lotta euros.
Same stuff exactly, assembled and tested in China? 340000 euros.
No tariffs, no Trump bullshit, just way cheaper. Is this a US problem? I think not.
Same stuff exactly, assembled and tested in China? 340000 euros.
No tariffs, no Trump bullshit, just way cheaper. Is this a US problem? I think not.
Hair Face
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Yeah, oddly seem to have fallen out of popularity and looking through their offerings I don't quite understand why. I only know of one guy with a 2023/2024 propel.
I have owned quite a few Giant mountain because they were similar to Toyota before Toyota modernized. Simply great tools for the job nothing less nothing more. Yes of course other brands offer smoother and better bikes but in all honesty it’s a give and take.
Lackluster, yes, but I have found being “behind in design” isn’t always a bad thing. I have tooled around with my friend’s bikes and found some wonder far more than my Trance X on the technical uphills. With that being said do they descend better? Yes, slightly. I feel Giant makes balanced bikes. They do the job..
Lackluster, yes, but I have found being “behind in design” isn’t always a bad thing. I have tooled around with my friend’s bikes and found some wonder far more than my Trance X on the technical uphills. With that being said do they descend better? Yes, slightly. I feel Giant makes balanced bikes. They do the job..
Purl
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I don’t even know of a retailer in my general area.
Bigger issue with this is all the bikes they make for other companies.
Ian F
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The only dealer I know of in NJ is Sourland in Hopewell, but it's been a few years since I've been in there so I don't know what their selection looks like. In PA, Twisted Cog, but I've never been there for personal reasons.
Reading the CBP page - some pretty serious allegations. Giant seems to refute direct involvement:
www.bicycleretailer.com
Reading the CBP page - some pretty serious allegations. Giant seems to refute direct involvement:
US Customs detaining bikes made by Giant over forced-labor allegations
WASHINGTON (BRAIN) — Customs and Border Protection on Wednesday said it is detaining bikes, bike parts and accessories made by Giant in Taiwan because of allegations of forced-labor use. The ruling appears to apply to products sold under Giant's brands or produced by Giant in Taiwan for other...
www.bicycleretailer.com
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JonF
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Then there was the time Giant contracted Dave Weagle to develop thier suspension kinematic. They paid him to do the initial design, then took the design, f'd him over on remaining contractual payments and called it the Maistro link. DW sued them for years but big G no doubt out spent him on legal fees.
serviceguy
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I guess you never worked for a company that had their intellectual property stolen from them and clones of their equipment built by Chinese semi-slave labor for a fraction of the price, or had to deal with workers that lost their job as you were packing their entire factory to be moved to China. Ask me how I know...sorry, I tend to get carried away as this is one of the many demons from a previous life I loved.
We have been Giant dealers since day one, and had them for years while at Efingers....Also carry Trek and Cannondale, amongst others...Giant has suffered from this issue for years. They give some of the absolute best value for the money amongst the other brands, they are just BORING and do not have really effective marketing. It is hard, from a retailer standpoint, to battle the "I want to buy a Trek (fill in the blank)"...They look cooler, and their marketing is killer.The only dealer I know of in NJ is Sourland in Hopewell, but it's been a few years since I've been in there so I don't know what their selection looks like. In PA, Twisted Cog, but I've never been there for personal reasons.
Reading the CBP page - some pretty serious allegations. Giant seems to refute direct involvement:
US Customs detaining bikes made by Giant over forced-labor allegations
WASHINGTON (BRAIN) — Customs and Border Protection on Wednesday said it is detaining bikes, bike parts and accessories made by Giant in Taiwan because of allegations of forced-labor use. The ruling appears to apply to products sold under Giant's brands or produced by Giant in Taiwan for other...