This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

jdgang said:
oh and wear your damm mask.
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I still think cotton masks are dumb, but I wear one anyway, because maybe I'm wrong. And also because I have to. Thinking about it at the climbing gym last night, I agree we should wear them there eventhough it sucks. People climbing are surely spitting and sneezing on the wall, and I would be touching it otherwise. Though I gotta imagine it's still getting on the wall anyway.
 
jdgang said:
I am learning about your world at this time. I work at a hospital in IT, and I am dealing with a application called Moasic. Just finished the update to it, was a little stressful since it all had to be working by Monday morning.
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We might have ridden at that MTBNJ group ride together before Covid shut down that concept. That upgrade is a pretty big deal in the rad onc world. Basically, it is the whole entire record and verify system for all treatments and the electronic charting system. We use their competitor at my site (Aria from Varian), but it is the same concept. DICOM is also a completely different beast. At your site, have you been primarily working remotely for this upgrade, or are you actively there? What kinds of protocols have they implemented for staff there?
 
JimN said:
I still think cotton masks are dumb, but I wear one anyway, because maybe I'm wrong. And also because I have to. Thinking about it at the climbing gym last night, I agree we should wear them there eventhough it sucks. People climbing are surely spitting and sneezing on the wall, and I would be touching it otherwise. Though I gotta imagine it's still getting on the wall anyway.
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The point is to keep whatever might be in you, out of others.
How was GV? I was gonna take Will. Climbing with a mask doesn't sound that great, but it does sound better than not climbing at all. Are they limiting how many people are in there at once?
 
JimN said:
I still think cotton masks are dumb, but I wear one anyway, because maybe I'm wrong. And also because I have to. Thinking about it at the climbing gym last night, I agree we should wear them there eventhough it sucks. People climbing are surely spitting and sneezing on the wall, and I would be touching it otherwise. Though I gotta imagine it's still getting on the wall anyway.
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Hey if anything, you are working on increasing your VO2max. Yes, I would have the same thought regarding the climbing wall. Everything has a calculated risk and our population needs to be more fluid in adapting to change when things increase/decrease in local areas.
 
thegock said:
So, Dr. Soup (may I call you Monkey?), what is the citation for the perhaps peer reviewed scientific study that supports C19 deaths being overcounted?

You seem to both rely upon and criticize anecdotal evidence, but still haven't provided a link to any study supporting your theory. Odd for someone like yourself who has a PhD in biochemistry, don't you agree?

This is the third time I am asking you for a citation, for those of you keeping score at home.

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He's a troll. Look at any of his posts, he's only on the internet to piss people off. It's his only objective. No use arguing with someone who thinks everything he says is fact.
 
Monkey Soup said:
Community spread through aerosols has been known for a looooong time. The N95 mask thing was a knee-jerk reaction, which is typical these days. Oh, and there’s pretty much universal consensus that route of spread is through said aerosols (airborne).
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That is simply not true. Droplet spread has universal consensus and is the origin of 6ft spacing. Aerosol (defined as smaller than 0.5 micrometer) transmission is definitely not universally accepted.

So sunlight kills viruses, wow, what a revelation.
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I was responding to your DIRECT QUOTE ridiculing people making that exact observation. WTF dude?

Virology 101, as soon as a virus particle finds itself outside of a host and in the environment, the clock is ticking. It’s either picked up by a new host or eventually becomes non-viable. In the case of enveloped viruses, that time is relatively short, and would be more relevant If the spread was predominantly through fomites, but it’s through the air, person to person. So you and your bros can be hanging on the beach on the hottest and brightest of days, but if one of you sneezes, nothing is going to die in the 10 seconds it takes to leave ones mouth and get breathed in by someone else.
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Wow, really? Thank you for that contribution that none of us was aware of. That's why you wear a mask.
 
The_Mountainside_Menace said:
We might have ridden at that MTBNJ group ride together before Covid shut down that concept. That upgrade is a pretty big deal in the rad onc world. Basically, it is the whole entire record and verify system for all treatments and the electronic charting system. We use their competitor at my site (Aria from Varian), but it is the same concept. DICOM is also a completely different beast. At your site, have you been primarily working remotely for this upgrade, or are you actively there? What kinds of protocols have they implemented for staff there?
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Maybe, i try to show up for them. We have been remote since April. My office is offsite and to get away from the family I have been going in about 2 times a week. I am the manager of system engineering so I have to work with all of the application owners. Just to much info. We are dealing with three separate upgrades at this time PACS, RIS and the VNA. The thing I found most interesting is that the modalities dont even need a system to write out the images. You just provide them with a IP address for the storage. As for the protocols I was completely remote at that time, but there was a brief week that if the surge did happen we would have been called in to do any work any where in the hospital. I reached out to a friend who is a infectious disease nurse and ask what I needed to do.
 
Deaths lag. Florida 132 deaths today. Highest ever. 7 day dma is 72 and rising (doesn't include today's tally). Was 48 a week ago. Arizona 95 deaths today. 7 day dma is 62 and rising (doesn't include today's tally). Was 32 a week ago.
California 7 day dma is 93. Was 68 a week ago.

@rick81721 u good?

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Mahnken said:
He's a troll. Look at any of his posts, he's only on the internet to piss people off. It's his only objective. No use arguing with someone who thinks everything he says is fact.
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Yup, because this is very serious business here, discussing medical shit on a bike site.
 
mfennell said:
That is simply not true. Droplet spread has universal consensus and is the origin of 6ft spacing. Aerosol (defined as smaller than 0.5 micrometer) transmission is definitely not universally accepted.

I was responding to your DIRECT QUOTE ridiculing people making that exact observation. WTF dude?

Wow, really? Thank you for that contribution that none of us was aware of. That's why you wear a mask.
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In the world of respiratory viruses, it is, and has been for a very long time. Aerosol refers to liquid droplets suspended in air, once you below 5um your in the realm of nebulizing, but hey, you go with google, Dr.
 
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Monkey Soup said:
but hey, you go with google, Dr.
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The_Mountainside_Menace said:
@Monkey Soup PhD in biochemistry? Impressive. I must have missed that earlier. Since this is your field, what are the latest biomarker assay strategies for diagnosis of Covid-19? Care to elaborate on these tests and how they have evolved and become more refined throughout the recent months? Genuinely curious. Recently, I had been given a saliva test as opposed to a swab test and was assured that the saliva test had superior specificity and sensitivity in comparison to swab testing. I find this hard to believe because swab testing is used over saliva for all of our biomarker assays for various cancers (again not my field). How can this be the case? Is it because many at drive up testing centers were asked to self swab? I understand how hard it would be to self swab. The swab test was extremely uncomfortable. This would lead me to believe that there are more false negative results than there should be.
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I haven’t been tested yet, I personally know 2 people that have, and it was nasal swab. All kidding aside (ok a little kidding because I’m sure everyone with a degree in Google will jump in), they likely do Saliva because requesting someone who isn’t trained to stick a swab that far up their nasal passage is a bit of an ask. Since the virus infects the epithelial cells of the nasal passage, the test should theoretically be more accurate because you are taking a sample (that has a higher viral load) directly from the site of Viral replication and infection vs. relying on what washes down your throat and into your mouth when you scrcok or cough. I briefly worked on a home test for influenza that was immune based, much less accurate than RT PCR, and it was scrapped because the immune assay was less sensitive, and made worse because the average consumer couldn’t/wouldn’t stick the swab up far enough to get a good sample.
 
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