I must amid to not having read all of the information on the CDC site, but it seems like you would see a reduction in deaths during those months as a result of people not being out, driving around, etc. If that isn't being controlled for (and I'm not sure how you would accurately control for that), it makes the increase all the more significant.
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I must amid to not having read all of the information on the CDC site, but it seems like you would see a reduction in deaths during those months as a result of people not being out, driving around, etc. If that isn't being controlled for (and I'm not sure how you would accurately control for that), it makes the increase all the more significant.
bergsnj
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I think it is fair to say that there are many deaths in those figures of people who died of a non-covid reason but who might be alive now if they could have had treatment during the last 6 months but instead went un-diagnosed because they could not get treatment or were too scared of covid to see a doctor.
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
False based on what information, exactly. Your going to throw an anecdotal story from an EMT in as proof? Is he a Dr? Did he test each person for COVID? Did he go back and personally confirm cause of death in the weeks that followed? And from the Gocks study, because there are more deaths than normal, its automatically COVID? Thats your logic? Put your money where you want, I really don't care.
Everyone is sooo easy to manipulate, I need to figure out a way to get in on this. I should have gone into advertising instead of science. You believe everything you're told by so-called "experts". For example, when this entire thing started it was wear an N95 mask or risk certain death. Now we wear bandanas and cloth coverings. None of you ever questioned, just accepted, what was preposterous from day 1 (the only way to be 99% safe from an airborne contagion is to wear a respirator). Then there is the entire heat and light "theory" as to why the southern states were behind. Seriously? Heat and light? I'm just hanging out here to see what you all buy into next.
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
No one seems to believe what you're saying. Can't be too easy to manipulate.
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
I believe he's saying, if 1% of the population was infected, those would be the numbers. Because if we keep pretending this is fake news, who knows how much of the population will eventually be infected.
To be fair, some of us are on record saying that cotton face masks are dumb.
Captain Brainstorm
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Actually, you guys are the easiest. Go think on that for a while, try not to hurt yourself.
Sneeze into a cotton mask. Then sneeze into air with no mask. Tell me you honestly believe that the effect on people around you is the same.
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
You're the easiest
I cover my nose with my elbow and sneeze into my cotton shirt. It's probably the same. A cotton mask might prevent bodily fluids from passing through it, but it probably doesn't prevent the virus from passing through it.
I mean, this is like saying that putting a cotton sheet in front of your fan has 0 effect on the air you feel from the fan. I'll just disagree on this particular point.
As a side, purely personal unproven opinion, the presence of masks does remind people you need to keep your space from strangers. We could also do the pool noodle thing I saw in Europe at some point.
As a side, purely personal unproven opinion, the presence of masks does remind people you need to keep your space from strangers. We could also do the pool noodle thing I saw in Europe at some point.
bergsnj
Well-Known Member
No doubt the face mask stops large droplets from getting too far away from your mouth when you sneeze, cough, talk, etc. But there is a reason doctors don't operate with a led zeppelin t-shirt over their face.
also..
sorry. not sorry.
Santa
Active Member
After being in a mask all day at work I am physically and mentally exhausted. I have trouble focusing on my tasks I’m angry stressed in generally feel ill. Also I noticed that when I ride I’m tired and have no energy. I don’t experience this when I’m off of work at all. My conclusion is face masks are doing more harm than good. Any one else notice or what?
Not really. But I don't work or hang out with you. So I have no idea what your moods are like.
Hope this helps.
GSTim
Formerly M3Tim
I think from your study, it's conclusive that work is the cause of all problems and we should quit and ride all the time. I'm going to work on that plan. 😀
Oh yeah, COVID sucks.
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
I work 10 hour shifts while wearing an n95 with a surgical mask on top of it. I take it off for about 10 minutes during lunch, if I eat lunch, and put it right back on. I don't notice a difference aside from it not being all too comfortable.
Captain Brainstorm
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The purpose of face coverings is to prevent a sick person from aerosolizing millions of virus particles. The cotton, or whatever the material, will stop most of it from aerosolizing out of your mouth at 120mph when one sneezes or coughs. Their effectiveness at preventing you from breathing said aerosols is poor because by the time some of these aerosols are In circulation within a room, they can be down to micrometer size, and none of these commercial masks make that good of a seal around your face. Also, most people are not trained well enough to take an N95 and get it to conform well enough around your face to have some effect, except for those who work in the medical world. Also, any type of facial hair makes it a moot point. Regardless, if your required to wear a mask where you are, just do it.
The_Mountainside_Menace
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Sorry buddy, most likely just the compounded effect of being in a negative working atmosphere and added stressors this situation has put on everyone. I am in mine all the time too and N95s for somewhat brief periods of patient interaction. I literally am the only physicist covering the clinic when I get called in. So, the only physical effect I suffer from is boredom at times.
However now things have really ramped up and the only thing I can attribute to being tired is that I am having a bit too much beer lately at night from being stressed looking at my caseload. Everyone has understandably put off going to their primary care physicians or specialists. I am seeing some absolutely horrid cancer cases that probably could have been curative a few months ago. Unfortunately when growth is out of control it limits our ability to deliver a definitive radiation dose, and unfortunately only able to offer palliation.
Many have said it, but the reason for a mask is to prevent aerosolization and transmission through droplets. Larger particle size leads to higher viral yield. Increased PPE has considerably reduced the viral impact on our staff. Initial measures, where we were not completely remote from close quarters, led to 1/16th of our staff across the entire network becoming positive in the first 2 weeks. Since masks, being distanced, and utilizing PPE for direct patient contact, we have only had a handful of staff members contract the virus and most of those were those that saw the most patient interaction. I, unfortunately, do have colleagues (all were technicians who directly set up patients) that have succumbed to COVID-19.
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