This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

Norm said:
In the last 20 years I believe one person has died on a major airline.

I can’t find the number of people who have died from Covid after the vaccination. 2200+ vaccinated people have died but not from Covid, per se.
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200 average aircraft deaths per year. As far as I can find, no one vaccinated has died from covid.

From Israel:

"The Health Ministry findings also follow results nine days ago by the Maccabi HMO, which reported zero deaths among 523,000 people a week or more after their second vaccination shot."
 
serviceguy said:
Disclaimer: The following post is only related to the concept of irrational fear.

Allow me to correct you. Fear is not irrational 'per se'. Fear is what allowed humans to be still around because stopped them from poking around fiery beasts or jumping in a river or off a cliff.

What is irrational is how you react to such fear, and since the reaction depends on a number of parameters including education, personal experience etc. the concept becomes a little complicated, which in my opinion should keep people from making comments that sound rather tranchant (I do like the word, what can I say).

When I board a plane I know for a fact that something 'may' happen and I could not get to the other end of the trip. I still board the plane because I need to get to destination in a timely manner and I consider the chances of a crash fairly low.

I see vaccination the same way, the odds of a serious reaction or taking the illness after it is so low that it out weights those of serious consequences if exposed without being vaccinated. We (impersonal) can argue forever on how such odds are determined (and I personally believe there could be an argument to be made for various reasons). It's obviously easier to count the number of people who died in a plane crash during the last 20 years. And it's more than one @Norm , not that big on research, uh?

To put it into perspective, would you bet every single possession that you and your family own on the fact that all the planes taking off a single airport for a year will all reach their destination without an accident? Keep in mind that you don't know any of the pilots, nor the maintenance guys that work in that airport or any other airport where any of those planes will be serviced and loaded, or the ability of any of the pilots that could be on a potential collision course with any of those planes during that time.

Before answering have a look at this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-10785301
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Nice distinction - I agree the reaction is what is irrational. I am always a little nervous/fearful of flying, even tho I've done a ton of it. But it doesn't stop me from flying/traveling.
 
some people may not want to go out after being vaccinated due to the potential risk to family members who are not vaccinated (such as children), as it has not been determined that the vaccine prevents infection or ability to spread the virus
 
rick81721 said:
Nice distinction - I agree the reaction is what is irrational. I am always a little nervous/fearful of flying, even tho I've done a ton of it. But it doesn't stop me from flying/traveling.
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i assumed you specifically meant in a small plane. Plenty of people will take a commercial airline. Get in a four seat plane with one engine and launch into the clouds
is a different monster. does one have to die to say it was bad? broken bones? lacerations? worse?
why is death the considered the only relevant bad outcome?

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Last domestic commercial plane crash with fatality was 2009 - 49 souls.
It was blamed on fatigue, and changed the "service intervals" pilots can work.
 
Patrick said:
i assumed you specifically meant in a small plane. Plenty of people will take a commercial airline. Get in a four seat plane with one engine and launch into the clouds
is a different monster. does one have to die to say it was bad? broken bones? lacerations? worse?
why is death the considered the only relevant bad outcome?

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Last domestic commercial plane crash with fatality was 2009 - 49 souls.
It was blamed on fatigue, and changed the "service intervals" pilots can work.
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No large planes. I'm only nervous on takeoff - my mind likes to f$ck with me and replay that DC10 crash at O'Hare in the late 70s? when the engine fell off and it nosedived into the ground. There are commercial airline crashes every year somewhere.
 
rick81721 said:
No large planes. I'm only nervous on takeoff - my mind likes to f$ck with me and replay that DC10 crash at O'Hare in the late 70s? when the engine fell off and it nosedived into the ground. There are commercial airline crashes every year somewhere.
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i think the cdc is telling lies about the people that died after getting the vaccine.
obviously covering it up. fear the vaccine.

 
Norm said:
Small planes versus commercial. Those of us who do not fly our own plane in the Western world have about a 1 in 40 million chance of dying from being in a plane. Maybe less.
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Wouldn’t that put it in the chances of winning the lottery territory? People's keep buying the winning ticket every day though.,.
 
serviceguy said:
Wouldn’t that put it in the chances of winning the lottery territory? People's keep buying the winning ticket every day though.,.
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Might be 10x that.

It is more about flights than passengers. Or passenger miles. Everyone dies when the crash is catastrophic.
 
Norm said:
Small planes versus commercial. Those of us who do not fly our own plane in the Western world have about a 1 in 40 million chance of dying from being in a plane. Maybe less.
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Yeah well that was the point. Fear of dying in a plane crash is silly. Fear of dying of covid after being vaccinated is equally silly.
 
rick81721 said:
Fear of dying in a plane crash is silly. Fear of dying of covid after being vaccinated is equally silly.
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Listen, I mostly agree with your point but I am going to guess that inside the next year, there will be some vaccinated people who die of COVID. Is it equally silly? Maybe in time we will find out. But to call the people who are being cautious about it out like this is wrong.

You and I are on the same page but I do not rip the people who may not be as quick to jump in the Vaccine Plane. We could be wrong.
 
Norm said:
Listen, I mostly agree with your point but I am going to guess that inside the next year, there will be some vaccinated people who die of COVID. Is it equally silly? Maybe in time we will find out. But to call the people who are being cautious about it out like this is wrong.

You and I are on the same page but I do not rip the people who may not be as quick to jump in the Vaccine Plane. We could be wrong.
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I guess people have different ideas about how to live. For us, get protected and move on. Life is too short to live in fear.
 
mfennell said:
Vaccinated people still hunkering is not irrational from a public health perspective. It's still not definitive whether vaccinated people can carry/transmit the virus. A large study with 12,000 college students just started last week to try to put some rigor to it. https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-transmission-study-moderna-2021-3
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The most important aspect from a public health perspective is getting as many people vaccinated as possible. Israel is leading the world with over 50% vaccinated - covid has cratered.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
 
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