This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

[iLuveketchup]

Follow-the-money is usually a good start - I'd say the initial response to covid, "don't panic, keep going," was an attempt to protect the stock market/vacation market as spring travel season was getting ready to ramp-up. Then there was a realization that they would overwhelm the healthcare industry.
Are decisions driven by liability? Are law firms lining-up to file suit against any company that required workers to go to an office that could work remotely?
Or if they find a firm didn't do everything "required and beyond" to protect employees that had to be on-site? (ie Amazon)

A companies vax mandate, for example, is driven by liability or CYA. A company does not care about your health, at least only enough to not hurt their pockets.

Pharma gaining, but look at all the losers. How in the world are the airline, hotels, cruise companies still in business? not to mention all the ones in-between.
Are they all betting on pent-up demand?

They are hurting. Most especially small businesses.

I'm a big proponent of the situation drives the decisions, not the other way around. Take the best knowledge at the time, figure out the trade-offs,
and go. When more info comes in, pivot. Problem is, when there is a pivot, it is seen as "they didn't know what they were doing" -

If one place makes one decision, and another chooses a different path, should we just be observing the results, and learning rather than saying the other side is uninformed/scared?
Gets back to those trade-offs.

Just don't make up fake shit like my rights are being taken away if i have to wear a mask in a crowded deli.

The media, big tech, and politicians are in cahoots and see this as an opportunity for profit and power. This has long past a health issue and more into tyranny. Just IMO.

 

[JPark]

A companies vax mandate, for example, is driven by liability or CYA. A company does not care about your health, at least only enough to not hurt their pockets.


They are hurting. Most especially small businesses.


The media, big tech, and politicians are in cahoots and see this as an opportunity for profit and power. This has long past a health issue and more into tyranny. Just IMO.

During the lockdowns big businesses got to stay open while Mom & Pop businesses got closed.
Except bike shops because cycling is just that awesome!

 

[UtahJoe]

My wife returned to work this week after finally getting Covid....at christmas dinner of all places. She got fairly sick, but she has multiple autoimmune disorders so these things usually hit her hard. The numbers in the ER have fallen off a cliff this week compared to 2 weeks ago. as she put it...EERILY QUIET. The expanded kids covid until was empty.

 

[Patrick]

he media, big tech, and politicians are in cahoots and see this as an opportunity for profit and power

By taking sides? They certainly are not all locked in-step for the solutions - nor should they be.
IMHO - there is more polarizing volatility. There are those that benefit from volatility......

The Dakotas are much different than the Northeast states - shouldn't each be able to make the choices for their citizens,
assuming they have the ability to measure the ramifications of their choice?

A companies vax mandate, for example, is driven by liability or CYA. A company does not care about your health, at least only enough to not hurt their pockets.

Sure - wouldn't you be if you were in-charge?
Couple of deaths that can be traced directly back to company policy outside the CDC recommendations might set a precedent
that benefits a few families at the expense of "many" - workers losing their jobs because the co goes OOB, people losing their retirement
cause their 401k was in co stock (don't ever do that past 5% please - employer wants to see you are invested, but you can't be "all in")
What if it could be directly attributed to one person making that decision?
On the flip side, there is immunity for the pharma against the vax having a problem. Is there immunity for the decision makers that say it is required?

It isn't as adversarial as presented. It is the "current knowledge, and trade-offs" - with the worker shortage, it would seem like job choices are plenty?
On the flip-side, should workers be compensated for being "required" to do something - as that is a change in terms of employment.

Back to experimenting - cause still in the learning stage. Do companies that require vax see lower employee absence? And by extension healthier families,
cause they don't need to stay home and take care of the kid? I don't know, but a couple years from now it will be interesting to do the post-ex.

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Gotta run - good topics to chat about. No right answers - lots depending on where one is standing.

 

[iLuveketchup]

During the lockdowns big businesses got to stay open while Mom & Pop businesses got closed.
Except bike shops because cycling is just that awesome!

Is that a french bull dog in your avatar?

Last one for today, I don't want to bust my load all at once. Keep in mind, if this is no longer labeled as an "emergency", then all the EUA acts will be taken away. No more vax, no more bloated stimulus bills, and no emergency powers.

 

[iLuveketchup]

Sure - wouldn't you be if you were in-charge?

Yes, it's a business. However, they are spinning this and selling under the guise of health and security.

 

[Santapez]

 

[iLuveketchup]

I thought I was given the ok by ...

 

[Patrick]

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I consider it a response, not a post.

 

[JPark]

Is that a french bull dog in your avatar?

Last one for today, I don't want to bust my load all at once. Keep in mind, if this is no longer labeled as an "emergency", then all the EUA acts will be taken away. No more vax, no more bloated stimulus bills, and no emergency powers.

A Pug. She can control humans by making sad faces at them 😉

 

[rick81721]

My wife returned to work this week after finally getting Covid....at christmas dinner of all places. She got fairly sick, but she has multiple autoimmune disorders so these things usually hit her hard. The numbers in the ER have fallen off a cliff this week compared to 2 weeks ago. as she put it...EERILY QUIET. The expanded kids covid until was empty.

Stopped at my brother's place in Lakeland after the Mecum auction. They both got alpha covid in nov 2020 on a trip to Key West. Brother had a mild case, SIL spent a few days in the hospital. Spring 2021 they both got tested and had high titres of antibodies, but got vaccinated. Dec 2021, they visited their kids in various states and both got omicron. Basically a mild cold for 5-7 days.

 

[rick81721]

Ha no wonder I haven't gotten covid yet. The miracle drug!

https://www.iflscience.com/health-a...-can-block-sarscov2-infecting-cells-in-vitro/

 

[Captain Brainstorm]

Yes, it's a business. However, they are spinning this and selling under the guise of health and security.

Everything is done under the guise of health, security, and "keeping us safe". COVID is just the raison du jour. Its all about money-money and power-power (and more power). In the last few years alone (I don't feel like going too far back in time) we've had BLM, COVID, etc., all under the cloud of climate change which will be the doom of us all if the social issues and diseases don't destroy us first. Point is, our government and their media puppets are controlling us by constantly devising ways and taking opportunity of issues/events to keep us divided and at each others throats. In the meantime, our competitors/adversaries/enemies (whatever you want to call them) are either getting ready to invade other countries or quietly engineering ways to ruin us economically and socially, while we're busy fighting with ourselves or deciding how to best create a facade of our lives on social media.

 

[Patrick]

Everything is done under the guise of health, security, and "keeping us safe". COVID is just the raison du jour. Its all about money-money and power-power (and more power). In the last few years alone (I don't feel like going too far back in time) we've had BLM, COVID, etc., all under the cloud of climate change which will be the doom of us all if the social issues and diseases don't destroy us first. Point is, our government and their media puppets are controlling us by constantly devising ways and taking opportunity of issues/events to keep us divided and at each others throats. In the meantime, our competitors/adversaries/enemies (whatever you want to call them) are either getting ready to invade other countries or quietly engineering ways to ruin us economically and socially, while we're busy fighting with ourselves or deciding how to best create a facade of our lives on social media.

Like when Toyota blew up DeepWater Horizon to get their unexplained acceleration problem off the front page.

 

[ebarker9]

This is starting to read like the opening monologue from the sequel to Fight Club that I wasn't aware was getting made.

 

[Patrick]

and it shows up again!

 

[Captain Brainstorm]

This is starting to read like the opening monologue from the sequel to Fight Club that I wasn't aware was getting made.

We will make sequels until that dead horse has been pounded into a sticky red paste and every last slug nickel has been extracted. I'm talking to YOU Lana Wachowski.

 

[thegock]

Can't read NY slimes. But your post is basically a "duh? Who would have guessed that?"

Get omicron yet?

I know one guy who wouldn't have guessed that. On New Year’s Day, while riding with him, he said to me: “Now that we know the vaccines don’t work…”

However, Dr. Anthony Fauci testified before the Senate Tuesday that the probability of C19 case positivity is 10x higher for Unvaxxed, hospitalizations 17x higher and death 20x. Or, if my math is correct, the Vax is 90% effective v. infection, 94.12% effective v. hospitalization and 95% effective v. death. Or maybe @iLuveketchup is right and there is some big conspiracy of baby eating, Satan worshipping pedophiles?

Those number are generally consistent with the NYT article that I linked above. Why can’t you read it? Link doesn’t work or are you too busy reading the Daily Stormer?

And now I have FOMO based on yesterday’s antigen test:



However, my 94 year old Dad was positive antigen when I tested him yesterday and then again via PCR NJ/Vault email. He is fully vaxxed and has been mildly symptomatic for six days. Mom is negative and rather fatalistic about the whole thing.

 

[rick81721]

I know one guy who wouldn't have guessed that. On New Year’s Day, while riding with him, he said to me: “Now that we know the vaccines don’t work…”

However, Dr. Anthony Fauci testified before the Senate Tuesday that the probability of C19 case positivity is 10x higher for Unvaxxed, hospitalizations 17x higher and death 20x. Or, if my math is correct, the Vax is 90% effective v. infection, 94.12% effective v. hospitalization and 95% effective v. death. Or maybe @iLuveketchup is right and there is some big conspiracy of baby eating, Satan worshipping pedophiles?

Those number are generally consistent with the NYT article that I linked above. Why can’t you read it? Link doesn’t work or are you too busy reading the Daily Stormer?

And now I have FOMO based on yesterday’s antigen test:

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However, my 94 year old Dad was positive antigen when I tested him yesterday and then again via PCR NJ/Vault email. He is fully vaxxed and has been mildly symptomatic for six days. Mom is negative and rather fatalistic about the whole thing.

I don't subscribe to NYT so can't read it. Hey look who just echoed what el righto (me of course) has been saying for a month:

"Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will ultimately find just about everybody," Dr. Anthony Fauci told J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

How'd your Dad get it? Glad he is mildly symptomatic.

 

[Patrick]

I don't subscribe to NYT so can't read it. Hey look who just echoed what el righto (me of course) has been saying for a month:

"Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will ultimately find just about everybody," Dr. Anthony Fauci told J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

How'd your Dad get it? Glad he is mildly symptomatic.

If you get a chance - update that 30 day (or 60 if you can) chart. thanks. I think the visual will help tell the tale better than numbers.
I get all confused with percentages and declining population of uninfected and people testing everyday cause they (again The Man telling them) to get tested at the first sniffle,
and self-selecting into a population - (test/don't test/repeat test) * (vax'd/not vax'd)