This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

rick81721 said:
How'd your Dad get it? Glad he is mildly symptomatic.
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My Dad insisted on standing about a foot from two guys who were delivering a new washer Wednesday (8 days ago.) I remember that one of them was a bit slow to mask up that morning, but the real problem was my Dad sneaking down the basement stairs behind me to supervise the process, when I told him that I would handle it.

He medaled in WW2 while his ship sunk another ship, so he will prolly be fine.
 
Patrick said:
If you get a chance - update that 30 day (or 60 if you can) chart. thanks. I think the visual will help tell the tale better than numbers.
I get all confused with percentages and declining population of uninfected and people testing everyday cause they (again The Man telling them) to get tested at the first sniffle,
and self-selecting into a population - (test/don't test/repeat test) * (vax'd/not vax'd)
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Latest - looks like we are close to the peak. France and Australia still heading up. Italy about peaked, same with Spain and Canada. UK heading down.

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thegock said:
I know one guy who wouldn't have guessed that. On New Year’s Day, while riding with him, he said to me: “Now that we know the vaccines don’t work…”

However, Dr. Anthony Fauci testified before the Senate Tuesday that the probability of C19 case positivity is 10x higher for Unvaxxed, hospitalizations 17x higher and death 20x. Or, if my math is correct, the Vax is 90% effective v. infection, 94.12% effective v. hospitalization and 95% effective v. death. Or maybe @iLuveketchup is right and there is some big conspiracy of baby eating, Satan worshipping pedophiles?

Those number are generally consistent with the NYT article that I linked above. Why can’t you read it? Link doesn’t work or are you too busy reading the Daily Stormer?

And now I have FOMO based on yesterday’s antigen test:

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However, my 94 year old Dad was positive antigen when I tested him yesterday and then again via PCR NJ/Vault email. He is fully vaxxed and has been mildly symptomatic for six days. Mom is negative and rather fatalistic about the whole thing.
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1) *yaaawwwnn

2) Shaming me does not work. I do not fall for these tricks. I think for my own.

3) I've said this on other forums and I'll say it here. It's my personal outlook, I am not giving this as recommendation obviously. I will die and everyone I know will die. And I will die sooner rather than later. It is a fact. To stop life and worry about a virus that has over 99% survivability rate is laughable. I'm NOT sorry. I cannot be afraid for you.
 
iLuveketchup said:
has over 99% survivability rate is
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Sure - for all demographics under 65 (?) with no comorbidities.

What happens if everyone thinks this way? We cull 0.3% of the population in about a month.
but the hospitals are full and understaffed, so many die from the lack of critical care. Let's take a guess? I can't find the total number of hospitalizations
that recover - more or less than deaths? I'll just use the same number - another 0.3%
Most of the people institutionalized die, cause of lack of help or care
Also everyone that has a heart attack or stroke is SOL
crash your bike and puncture a lung SOL
i'll avoid any talk of social chaos during this crazy time - cause no sense in predicting a panic. Should be enough soylent green to go around.
TP - we'll figure it out. Got some old event tees to get rid of.

good news in about three months it is all over.

I don't live my life scared, I do live it thinking I could be spreading covid. So if i try not to catch it, and try not to spread it,
while doing my daily thing (i go into people's houses - many are older) it is non issue for me to be vax'd, boosted, masked in a crowd, or when asked.
The severe shut downs when we didn't know anything were warranted (IMHO). That was the whole Flatten the Curve movement.

If someone's daily doesn't really put them in elevated risk situations, nothing really changes???

The overarching reason: we were/are slowing it down to manageable is for the healthcare industry to keep the people alive who can make it. covid or otherwise.

Participate in slowing it down, or don't. I agree it is a personal choice, but not limited to one's own datapoint.

I've booked a flight to florida for spring break. Hope the damn baseball lock-out is over by then. That has me worried.

Did I just write the sequel to Don't Look Up ?

I'll also note that if the trend towards less virulent even if more highly transmissible is continued - i'll take it. Bring on summer 2022 - not summer 2020 two.
 
Patrick said:
Sure - for all demographics under 65 (?) with no comorbidities.
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Actually, for the entire US (whole population), the pandemic death rate is about 0.5% and dropping with omicron.

Don't know where you are going with a silly "cull 0.3% of the population in a month". You actually think an entire population could get infected in one month? Been watching too many ridiculous movies!
 
rick81721 said:
Actually, for the entire US (whole population), the pandemic death rate is about 0.5% and dropping with omicron.

Don't know where you are going with a silly "cull 0.3% of the population in a month". You actually think an entire population could get infected in one month? Been watching too many ridiculous movies!
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if everyone went about their daily life like it didn't exist - yes, just a sigmoid curve.
we'd hit 87% (if i remember, that has something to do with the second derivative?) rather quickly. fall off after that.
or was that 2 sigma CI - hell if i remember - stats and simulation were so long ago.
 
Patrick said:
Sure - for all demographics under 65 (?) with no comorbidities.

What happens if everyone thinks this way? We cull 0.3% of the population in about a month.
but the hospitals are full and understaffed, so many die from the lack of critical care. Let's take a guess? I can't find the total number of hospitalizations
that recover - more or less than deaths? I'll just use the same number - another 0.3%
Most of the people institutionalized die, cause of lack of help or care
Also everyone that has a heart attack or stroke is SOL
crash your bike and puncture a lung SOL
i'll avoid any talk of social chaos during this crazy time - cause no sense in predicting a panic. Should be enough soylent green to go around.
TP - we'll figure it out. Got some old event tees to get rid of.

good news in about three months it is all over.

I don't live my life scared, I do live it thinking I could be spreading covid. So if i try not to catch it, and try not to spread it,
while doing my daily thing (i go into people's houses - many are older) it is non issue for me to be vax'd, boosted, masked in a crowd, or when asked.
The severe shut downs when we didn't know anything were warranted (IMHO). That was the whole Flatten the Curve movement.

If someone's daily doesn't really put them in elevated risk situations, nothing really changes???

The overarching reason: we were/are slowing it down to manageable is for the healthcare industry to keep the people alive who can make it. covid or otherwise.

Participate in slowing it down, or don't. I agree it is a personal choice, but not limited to one's own datapoint.

I've booked a flight to florida for spring break. Hope the damn baseball lock-out is over by then. That has me worried.

Did I just write the sequel to Don't Look Up ?

I'll also note that if the trend towards less virulent even if more highly transmissible is continued - i'll take it. Bring on summer 2022 - not summer 2020 two.
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Huh? The infected fatality rate is over 99%, now. So that means less that 1% that are infected are dying, now. Not when or if, but now. You don't have to get into your hypotheticals when we have the numbers. We are at a point when we have the most amount of cases, but hospitals are not overwhelmed.

1% is the hand you're dealt. Like you mentioned, the best you can do is to be responsible.

Memento mori.
 
Patrick said:
if everyone went about their daily life like it didn't exist - yes, just a sigmoid curve.
we'd hit 87% (if i remember, that has something to do with the second derivative?) rather quickly. fall off after that.
or was that 2 sigma CI - hell if i remember - stats and simulation were so long ago.
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Impossible. Again, you're listening to Hollywood, not science.
 
thegock said:
My Dad insisted on standing about a foot from two guys who were delivering a new washer Wednesday (8 days ago.) I remember that one of them was a bit slow to mask up that morning, but the real problem was my Dad sneaking down the basement stairs behind me to supervise the process, when I told him that I would handle it.

He medaled in WW2 while his ship sunk another ship, so he will prolly be fine.
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good luck to your dad. 94! Think about the changes in the world he’s seen, wow!

can’t imagine the shit those ww2 vets saw. All war vets I guess, tell him thanks!
 
Government and big pharma are at it again! Get ready for false positives making it look like we're all gonna die! Everyone needs to be kept scared and complicit!


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Mahnken said:
Government and big pharma are at it again! Get ready for false positives making it look like we're all gonna die! Everyone needs to be kept scared and complicit!


COVID-19 Testing

Every home in the U.S. is eligible to order an additional 4 free at-⁠home tests beginning November 20. If you did not order tests this fall, you may place two orders for a total of 8 tests.
www.covidtests.gov www.covidtests.gov
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Because the vaccine mandate went so well?
 
Mahnken said:
Government and big pharma are at it again! Get ready for false positives making it look like we're all gonna die! Everyone needs to be kept scared and complicit!


COVID-19 Testing

Every home in the U.S. is eligible to order an additional 4 free at-⁠home tests beginning November 20. If you did not order tests this fall, you may place two orders for a total of 8 tests.
www.covidtests.gov www.covidtests.gov
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Mahnken said:
Government and big pharma are at it again! Get ready for false positives making it look like we're all gonna die! Everyone needs to be kept scared and complicit!


COVID-19 Testing

Every home in the U.S. is eligible to order an additional 4 free at-⁠home tests beginning November 20. If you did not order tests this fall, you may place two orders for a total of 8 tests.
www.covidtests.gov www.covidtests.gov
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I hate that I’m even commenting in this thread, but I’ll bite.

Who benefits from “Everyone being scared and complicit”. ? I’ve always wondering about this view that the government wants to control everyone. It makes no sense to me.
 
jShort said:
I hate that I’m even commenting in this thread, but I’ll bite.

Who benefits from “Everyone being scared and complicit”. ? I’ve always wondering about this view that the government wants to control everyone. It makes no sense to me.
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Government benefits by more power and control from scared and complicit citizens. If you have a weak and scared citizens, they will look into government to provide a solution. Look into the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) Act. Under the guise of safety, billions went to state and local governments, airlines, and corporations. A smaller fraction went to small business and unemployment benefits.

You don't need to back far into history to find an example of how 'safety and security' strengthens the govt. For example, WMD to justify war in the middle east and safety from terror brought the Patriot Act.
 
iLuveketchup said:
Government benefits by more power and control from scared and complicit citizens. If you have a weak and scared citizens, they will look into government to provide a solution. Look into the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) Act. Under the guise of safety, billions went to state and local governments, airlines, and corporations. A smaller fraction went to small business and unemployment benefits.

You don't need to back far into history to find an example of how 'safety and security' strengthens the govt. For example, WMD to justify war in the middle east and safety from terror brought the Patriot Act.
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I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight
 
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