too hard for me to explain on my iPad, I don’t believe they act in their members best interests. With a several billion dollar reserve, they should be able to reduce premiums.
This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond
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Mahnken
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You made the argument that you don't have a choice to quit over the vaccine because you need the paycheck, I just turned that around saying you had to work the pandemic because you needed the paycheck, not for selfless reasons. Maybe that was in poor taste, I apologize. I just have a hard time believing there's no choice but to get the vaccine. Of course there's a choice, it just happens that the other option sucks. And the options aren't based on the science, but it's a pandemic. Is what it is I guess.
I did a lot of work at Hack Med, I could have sworn that the hep b was mandatory, either way, I just asked a few docs and they all said they had it, that was good enough for me.
Your argument that having had Covid makes you more “immune’ than people who have had the vaccine is the one I don’t know to be true. Strictly anecdotal, but I know several people who have had Covid twice. All 5 of them have not been boosted. I think there is something there. Nobody was hospitalized, but thats not my measure, to me, you need to be really fuck sick to have to go to the hospital.
it does seem crazy how the rules have changed throughout the last year, from 10 days to 5 days, to now being able to work even with Covid, as long as your asymptomatic, but I would argue, desperate times require desperate measures.
I really don’t know how I would feel if I was told I needed it to work, and I can understand how that might be infuriating.
I know, forget it. You’re right.
A Potted Plant
Honorary Sod
When are we going to talk about the great resignation and anti work stuff figured this is the new garbage heap
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
I also don't understand the vaccine hesitancy of healthcare workers after having put themselves at risk in the pandemic when nothing was really known about covid. Like, you literally went to work dealing with a new and deadly disease, putting yourself and your family at risk. Went through all the 'wear the same no95 for a month', there's not enough PPE bullshit. In @Bikeworks case, responded during 9/11, completely putting his life on the line... But we're drawing the lines at a vaccine? I don't care what the risks of the vaccine are, it's nothing compared to all the risks you've put yourself in already. Why is the line drawn there? It just doesn't compute for me.
Edit: it really makes me feel like not wanting to get the vaccine, as a healthcare worker, is a purely political stance.
Edit: it really makes me feel like not wanting to get the vaccine, as a healthcare worker, is a purely political stance.
Captain Brainstorm
Well-Known Member
I'll take a different approach. Again how does the 'i had covid, so why vax' work. They can't compel to prove it. That is a hipa violation. Not actionable.
Policy is driven by need. What is the risk of a recovering asymptomatic covid pos worker treating covid patients?
I don't think people making the decisions are idiots. At the same time I don't think they ignore public opinion cause they want to be reelected.
one can not use themselves as conclusive. It is anecdotal at best.
Policy is driven by need. What is the risk of a recovering asymptomatic covid pos worker treating covid patients?
I don't think people making the decisions are idiots. At the same time I don't think they ignore public opinion cause they want to be reelected.
one can not use themselves as conclusive. It is anecdotal at best.
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rick81721
Lothar
How does it work? If a workplace (like healthcare) requires vaccination to remain employed, then immunity via previous infection should be an acceptable
What relevance is this? You worded it incorrectly. What does it matter if a covid patient is treated by someone with covid? You must have meant an asymptomatic covid healthcare worker treating a non-covid patient. But even in that scenario, a healthcare worker fully vaccinated or immune via previous infection can still infection someone else.
You can not.compell someone to reveal their medical history. You can require them to report vax staus as a matter of public health
I worded just like I meant.
The idea of recalling healthcare workers on a short quarantine is because of the lack of workers to take care of c19 patients
rick81721
Lothar
You don't get it - if vaccination is a requirement to stay employed, and if someone refuses to get vaccinated but can prove via diagnostic test and/or blood antibody titre that they have some immunity, that should be a viable voluntary option for said person to remain employed.
No clue what second point you are trying to make.
You don't get it. You can't compel someone to release their medical records. it isn't actionable.
Here is how it would go
Employer: are you vax.d
Employee: I had covid
Employer: Prove it
Employee: fu.
Nclu shows up.
rick81721
Lothar
And employee is out of a job. You keep missing the voluntary aspect!
rick81721
Lothar
PS you are wrong re: HIPAA
"For example, the Privacy Rule does not prohibit employers from requiring a workforce member to disclose whether they have received a COVID-19 vaccine or a positive COVID test result"
https://www.arnoldporter.com/en/per...edge/2021/10/ocr-issues-guidance-on-the-hipaa
nailed it.
You are thinking person, I am thinking people.
Problem with mandate, but no problem with HIPA violation and mandating they prove they had it. Like a double whammy mandate jammy jam.