It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?

[tonyride]

It might be worth looking at the new Orbea Rise w/ a 400 wh battery and a range extender. This allows a really light setup when on a shorter ride.

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I’m headed to Spain in a week to visit mondraker. I haven’t ridden the Bosch SX motor yet, but the lighter 400wh battery and an extender is an interesting concept.

DUNE R

mondraker.com

I’ll report back.

If the range extender I have for my 1st gen Rise works with this new one then I'd say take my money now but I know it doesn't. I'll definitely consider it as I've had very positive experiences with mine.

 

[2Julianas]

It might be worth looking at the new Orbea Rise w/ a 400 wh battery and a range extender. This allows a really light setup when on a shorter ride.

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I’m headed to Spain in a week to visit mondraker. I haven’t ridden the Bosch SX motor yet, but the lighter 400wh battery and an extender is an interesting concept.

DUNE R

mondraker.com

I’ll report back.

@jdog Would you recommend this Rise + extender over the Wild?

 

[jdog]

@jdog Would you recommend this Rise + extender over the Wild?

Depends.


You really can get away with a heavier bike with an ebike. I’d pick a bike for the roughest terrain you like to ride. For me the shuttle am is my #1 pick. I prefer the Bosch motor over all others I have tried, pivot has modern geo dialed, I know the people who make the company & I really like them. It’s also the same layout as the pivot switchblade which is my analog bike of choice. This means that it’s a very easy swap back and fourth for me. It’s hard to find much to gripe about with pivot with the exception of price. You can borrow mine for the day. All that said, I’m eyeing the LT for the slightly longer travel and the mullet wheel setup. I have a short-ish inseam and I really prefer a 27.5 rear wheel. (That can actually fit on the AM too but it doesn’t come stock that way.)

The rise makes no sense to me at all. I’m over 200, I don’t prefer the Shimano motor, I hate the cable routing and to me the rise is working pretty hard in bike park like terrain.

I’d do the wild over the rise for those reasons above.

BUT keep in mind that there are many versions of what ebiking looks like to different people. For me, ebiking is ripping up the dumbest climbs that I’d otherwise avoid on my me-bike and then having lots in the tank for smashing the downs with some enthusiasm.


IF I’m going out with my XC race buddies who want to ride for 4-5 hrs and I have no chance of keeping up with them, the rise w/ an extender would be ideal. This really hasn’t happened for me yet and with my moto background, I’m more excited by a bike that gets my DH/ moto jollies satisfied but flies up hills as well.

judging by what we are seeing on the shop floor, most people who are shopping for e-bikes haven’t actually ridden one for more than a short ride. I’ve been lucky enough to test ride many e-bikes in various cool mtb destinations and find the shortcoming's for my style of use.

This year we are stocking e-bikes from Pivot, Santa Cruz, Cannondale, Mondraker and Orbea. Each brand does things a bit differently and with some deep digging we can help define the reality of your use case which itself might be a moving target.

 

[Ian F]

IF I’m going out with my XC race buddies who want to ride for 4-5 hrs and I have no chance of keeping up with them, the rise w/ an extender would be ideal.

This has generally described the rides I've done with my e-bike. I did three days straight of 4+ hour rides in Davis WV on the Moterra SL test bike. Most on normal bikes and a couple guys on e-bikes. The ride leader was a monster rider and I often had trouble keeping up with him, although I rarely had the assist above the 3/8 level. This was in very technical and rocky trails and I didn't have any trouble with the weight of the e-bike. Likewise, I haven't had any trouble handling the somewhat heavier Heckler.

I have yet to do a ballz-out e-bike ride like jdog does. Even when I've done all e-bike rides with my local friends they are generally fairly sedate. This is partly because my one friend with an e-bike has really bad knees and can't push the pace even with an e-bike. The e-bikes allow us to do longer rides without suffering so much. We're all well past the desire to use rides for some sort of "training"...

I think that is one of the big things about riding an e-bike. Yes, it can provide a monster level of assistance but that doesn't mean you have use that way. And if you don't have the assist maxed out all the time, then you may not need the extra battery WH.

 

[scott62]

Got to say Ibis almost got it right with the new Oso. If they had just not mounted that stupid axis transmission the bike would be close to perfect big hit bike. The fact that you can up shock the bike for 170 mm rear suspension is great.

 

[jdog]

Got to say Ibis almost got it right with the new Oso. If they had just not mounted that stupid axis transmission the bike would be close to perfect big hit bike. The fact that you can up shock the bike for 170 mm rear suspension is great.

What do you have against Transmission? We have tons of it in the real world now and it continues to be a great solution for e-bikes. It seems to be the first system designed with e-bikes in mind. Yes,it is a bit slower than the prior eagle axs, but on e-bikes I haven’t seen a better solution. I don’t think we have even seen a single broken rear der yet. I will say that on e-bikes, 12 speed is overkill. I bet 8 speed would be plenty.

 

[jdog]

If the range extender I have for my 1st gen Rise works with this new one then I'd say take my money now but I know it doesn't. I'll definitely consider it as I've had very positive experiences with mine.

Which specific model Rise are you considering? Sometimes I can make some magic happen.

 

[tonyride]

Which specific model Rise are you considering? Sometimes I can make some magic happen.

Does the EP801 motor in the new Rise go up to 85NM? I'm looking for a full power eMTB now. I'm not in a rush, just in the looking around phase which is how I stumbled on the new Moterra SL even though it's been out for about a year now.

 

[2Julianas]

Each brand does things a bit differently and with some deep digging we can help define the reality of your use case which itself might be a moving target.

I rode a Norco in BC for a 5-hour ride with lots of climbing followed by decent chunky features and loved it. Was just the right amount of tired and would never have made it on an analog bike. I also rode a SC Heckler all over Montana and Wyoming and liked it slightly less, even though it allowed me to stay on a very climby XC ride for 4 hours that I also never would have managed on an analog bike. I love my Ibis Ripmo (with a Fox 38) which ride everywhere locally. So my goal for an eBike is for it to feel and ride like the Ripmo on the fun stuff but compensate for my age and lack of fitness so I can access more of the even funner stuff for longer. I was actually eyeing the Ibis Oso for that exact reason, but would get something else if it fulfilled my criteria.

 

[scott62]

What do you have against Transmission? We have tons of it in the real world now and it continues to be a great solution for e-bikes. It seems to be the first system designed with e-bikes in mind. Yes,it is a bit slower than the prior eagle axs, but on e-bikes I haven’t seen a better solution. I don’t think we have even seen a single broken rear der yet. I will say that on e-bikes, 12 speed is overkill. I bet 8 speed would be plenty.

Maintenance, my Kenevo kills a chain in 500 miles and cassettes in 1500 miles. Sram recommends you ride the system till it start jumping gears and then you replace everything, cassette, chain and chain ring. All of the axis stuff is more expensive than nx parts. Sure the axis stuff will last longer but not twice or three times longer. To make matters worse, that servo junk adds $500-$1000 to the price over gx parts.

 

[jdog]

Does the EP801 motor in the new Rise go up to 85NM? I'm looking for a full power eMTB now. I'm not in a rush, just in the looking around phase which is how I stumbled on the new Moterra SL even though it's been out for about a year now.

It goes to 85nm, but they use their own tuning.

For what you e described, I’d say it’s this w the small battery and an extender might be the ticket. Or get the bigger battery if you aren’t excited by the weight savings. In that case you can grab the extender later and use it for really big days.

I do like how the cdale rides a bit better, but some are uneasy about the slack HTA, but I didn’t note it

Glad to chat more about this anytime.

Curious what size you are thinking ? Might be able to make some magic happen on the cdale pricing. They get more expensive soon.

 

[Bike N Gear]

Maintenance, my Kenevo kills a chain in 500 miles and cassettes in 1500 miles. Sram recommends you ride the system till it start jumping gears and then you replace everything, cassette, chain and chain ring. All of the axis stuff is more expensive than nx parts. Sure the axis stuff will last longer but not twice or three times longer. To make matters worse, that servo junk adds $500-$1000 to the price over gx parts.

Clean and lube more often? I'm getting 2 to 3 times those numbers out of my AXS on a Levo. I use Turbo a lot. I let the motor do more work than I should, a lot. At 3500 miles I need a 3rd chain. Motors on the other hand. I go through like you go through chains.

 

[tonyride]

I do like how the cdale rides a bit better, but some are uneasy about the slack HTA, but I didn’t note it

Yeah, I knew about the really slack HTA but it does have an adjustable headset that can steepen it by something like 1.2 degree or something, right? Don't know if that helps much. I'm still in the research/evaluation phase but if I do settle on the C'dale you'll be the first to know.

 

[THATmanMANNY]

 

[jdog]

Maintenance, my Kenevo kills a chain in 500 miles and cassettes in 1500 miles. Sram recommends you ride the system till it start jumping gears and then you replace everything, cassette, chain and chain ring. All of the axis stuff is more expensive than nx parts. Sure the axis stuff will last longer but not twice or three times longer. To make matters worse, that servo junk adds $500-$1000 to the price over gx parts.

Yeah, I don’t buy that the system wears as one. I just keep replacing the chain before it likely needs it. Same cass and chainring for a year. On an ebike that’s pretty solid IMO.

 

[jdog]

Yeah, I knew about the really slack HTA but it does have an adjustable headset that can steepen it by something like 1.2 degree or something, right? Don't know if that helps much. I'm still in the research/evaluation phase but if I do settle on the C'dale you'll be the first to know size

Size?

 

[jdog]

I rode a Norco in BC for a 5-hour ride with lots of climbing followed by decent chunky features and loved it. Was just the right amount of tired and would never have made it on an analog bike. I also rode a SC Heckler all over Montana and Wyoming and liked it slightly less, even though it allowed me to stay on a very climby XC ride for 4 hours that I also never would have managed on an analog bike. I love my Ibis Ripmo (with a Fox 38) which ride everywhere locally. So my goal for an eBike is for it to feel and ride like the Ripmo on the fun stuff but compensate for my age and lack of fitness so I can access more of the even funner stuff for longer. I was actually eyeing the Ibis Oso for that exact reason, but would get something else if it fulfilled my criteria.

This is my suggestion. If you are a med, we have one on the floor that you should come pedal.



The race motor is a delight.

 

[tonyride]

Size?

Medium

 

[jdog]

This

 

[jdog]

Size?

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