Tariffs...what to make of them.
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SmooveP
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I agree with the people who are saying we should obey the cops. Not because it's the law and they should automatically be respected. Rather it's because if you don't, you could get shot in the face.
Officer Friendly has been replaced by a jacked up guy with neck tattoos in full tactical gear. "Protect and serve" has been replaced by FAFO.
Officer Friendly has been replaced by a jacked up guy with neck tattoos in full tactical gear. "Protect and serve" has been replaced by FAFO.
Mtbdog
Well-Known Member
Self defense. You don't have to be hit by a car, rock or bullet before you act in defense. It's still attempted vehicular manslaughter.
Self defense would be taking a step backwards.
You can argue from the cop's POV that he didn't know what she was doing and that he could have thought that she was going to run him over.
But you can't then look at the fact afterwards that she turned her wheels away from him (opposite from when she backed up) and when she peeled out sped AWAY from him with the intention to avoid him.
Frank...think for a second about what you just said....Been hit by her vehicle and is being pushed back...yet still holding his phone filming in one hand, then removing his gun and firing with the other....How is his life in danger exactly? He's being hit by a 2 ton vehicle, yet still filming and shooting his gun...
ICE policy allows deadly force only when an agent believes there is an imminent threat of death or serious injury. Shooting at a vehicle is generally prohibited and not permitted solely to prevent escape. Agents must consider alternatives, prioritize their safety, and avoid intentionally putting themselves in harm's way. Public safety must also be considered, as shooting at a vehicle carries risks. All use-of-force incidents undergo internal review......
Avoid intentionally putting themselves in harm's way... I mean I know I have never in my life had a cop pull me off and walk in front of my car. The situation was totally avoidable.
Really, the debating the finer points of what he did bothers me WAY WAY less than the fact that our couch fucking vice president has claimed ICE has "absolute immunity" and there is not going to be so much as in investigation.....and this is not an isolated incident. 11 people have been shot by ICE in cars in the past year. One fell on the ice the other day and discharged his weapon (WTF!!!) Are you a dog lover like I am?? 15 cases in CA, where ice has arrested people and left their dogs behind, 19 cases in Florida and last week they took someone out of a car in MN and left the car behind with a dog in it. These people are not the Delta Force...Their training has been truncated in order to get them out on the street faster....and yet this administration is handing them absolute immunity? WTAF?
JFC, the SA were the ones wearing the uniforms...not the ones in the frog costumes.
The 2nd and 3rd shots were still self defense?
MMuller
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This whole situation, and something no one has pointed out, is on the agent that aggressively went up to her car, and reaching through her open window to grab the keys, yells "Get the fck out of the car!" He caused her to flee. I don't think she even saw the guy that shot her at that point. The whole event wouldn't of happened had it not been for him.
We can argue about this forever but since there will be no real investigation this is done. She’s dead and this will embolden Ice even more.
Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
These are not well trained law enforcement officers. They have a very narrow scope of legal operation and have very much pushed and exceeded those boundaries. They act unprofessionally and in just about every video I see, exhibit conduct unfit for anyone charged with civilian enforcement actions.
Isn't his pov the only thing that matters?
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Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
This is unfortunately the reality. And the don't tread on me crowd gives zero fucks because the "me" getting trampled is the collective "me", it's not the actual "me". Yet.
Zaskar
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I'm sure some of you read or listen to Heather Cox Richardson's daily "Letters From an American" if not, check it out. This one from the weekend really hit me that, if we not living under a Fascist regime, we're not far off..
open.substack.com
In March 1945, the War Department issued a blunt briefing titled "Army Talk 64: FASCISM!" to educate soldiers on how to identify and resist fascist ideologies. The key warnings included:
January 9, 2026
Beginning in 1943, the War Department published a series of pamphlets for U.S.
open.substack.com
In March 1945, the War Department issued a blunt briefing titled "Army Talk 64: FASCISM!" to educate soldiers on how to identify and resist fascist ideologies. The key warnings included:
- Deceptive Appearances: Fascism often wraps itself in "patriotism, flags, slogans, and 'saving the nation'" rather than calling itself by name.
- Exploitation of Crisis: It thrives on economic stress and social unrest, using fear and anger as a breeding ground.
- Use of Scapegoats: Fascists maintain power by pitting racial, religious, or economic groups against one another to distract from real issues.
- Indiscriminate Labeling: A common tactic identified was the "indiscriminate pinning of the label 'Red' on people and proposals which one opposes".
- Threat to All Democracy: The Army warned that permitting discrimination against any group threatens the freedom of all Americans.
if there was an investigation and a court case? no not at all. Why she was there, what threat she actually posed....The events leading up to him walking in front of that car...communication or lack thereof with the other agents...namely the one trying to get her out of her car...him continuing to fire after he was clearly out of the way of the car. All of the little things would matter.
Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
Another interesting point that I have not seen mentioned yet, is how did he get that shot off so quickly? Unless he was prepared to fire the whole time he was in front of the car.
For his defense, yes.
But not for explaining what her actual intent was. She did herself no favors in any of her actions however after-the-fact the facts to point to her clearly trying to kill him which people are presenting.
Can argue that from his shoes he thought she may be trying to run him over but the after-event evidence shows she wasn't.
If he missed or just wounded her, she got arrested and they were pursuing attempted manslaughter/murder charges against her, the evidence would be that she turned away from him and the vehicle movement backed up where she intended to go, away from him.
I knew this would be controversial.
You don't fire a gun unless you mean it.
Wouldn't he be protecting other officers that might be in her path?
I'm saying statistically, this was a possible outcome. It is a split second.
@MMuller if that is the chain of events, then I blame all the parents of the people that voted for trump. She could have deescalated. Again, statistically a scenario that lowers the chances of this possible outcome.
I want protest. I want the agents to see Americans that disagree, without feeling threatened.
I knew a guy (and a woman) who got in a fight every time they went out. It was always how their night ended. Knowing people think that way, I act accordingly.
I don't think she was trying to run him over.
I'm saying in a split second, he knows she is combative, not cooperative, and moving.
This moves the probability towards this outcome.
"I'm not mad at you dude" She looks very combative for sure. I usually smile and wave people through before I go to mow them down.