Why do people have coaches for years on end?

Dave Taylor

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I've had a coach. I get it. You can learn a lot when you are a beginner and don't know much about training. What do you get out of a coach after a year or two of learning the ropes? If you are disciplined enough to do what a coach says you should be disciplined enough to do it on your own. I personally had my best results post coach. I think the right type of consistency is the best thing you can do to improve but the wrong type of consistency is the worst thing you can do. Should you switch coaches so you don't plateau doing the same routine over an over? I feel that the diversity different coaches, different disciplines and basically the more skills you can acquire the better you will be. The site was getting stale. Just need some new convo 😛
 
Part of the fun is figuring it out on your own. There is an insane amount of resources online to learn absolutely anything now. Paying someone seams pointless to me personally but I know plenty of people that need that level of accountability.
 
There's probably less than 10 people with coaches on here so not so sure you're going to get much of a discussion. I've come to the conclusion about coaches is they're mostly a convenience thing. Some people don't want to spend hours planning their blocks, best way to prioritize races, how to work around life stress. The coach is a good way to side step all those things.

They're part time nutritionist, part time sports psychologist, part time workout generators. Training really isn't complicated, some people just like the extra push.
 
Motivation. Accountability. Loyalty. Just some reasons.
Accountability was one of the biggest reasons for me.... Even tho I still haven't paid my coach a dime... @Norm thankfully let me pay n.... Well actually I'm not sure if I've ever done anything useful for repayment

But probably even more so in that norm did this free of charge.... I made sure to give every workout 110%.

Everyone is different.. Learning who you are as a person and what motivates you to obtain a particular goal is key.... The right coach can certainly help you with that.
 
personally had my best results post coach, chasing Iggy.
Ah, the good old days.
I think the right type of consistency is the best thing you can do to improve but the wrong type of consistency is the worst thing you can do.
Do it right, dont do it wrong. Got it. You a god damn genius.

If you can afford a coach, why not. I dont think you pay them to tell you you're fat and slow, I think its the opposite. More like you're doing great, keep working hard and stick to the plan.
 
I've had a coach. I get it. You can learn a lot when you are a beginner and don't know much about training. What do you get out of a coach after a year or two of learning the ropes? If you are disciplined enough to do what a coach says you should be disciplined enough to do it on your own. I personally had my best results post coach. I think the right type of consistency is the best thing you can do to improve but the wrong type of consistency is the worst thing you can do. Should you switch coaches so you don't plateau doing the same routine over an over? I feel that the diversity different coaches, different disciplines and basically the more skills you can acquire the better you will be. The site was getting stale. Just need some new convo 😛
So who specifically are you talking about here?

I’m sure you have someone in mind…


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So who specifically are you talking about here?

I’m sure you have someone in mind…


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I just like to overanalyze everything. For me, I had a coach "offered" to me. It helped me understand what type of workouts to do. It helped me understand lifting, heart rate, muscle tension etc. My point is that once you learn that stuff a coach doesn't hold you accountable, you do. My most successful years(no, I never even committed to a full season of anything other than h2h cat 2 ss) were when I just copied and pasted my training peaks workouts from when I had a coach and modified the schedule a bit. I was strong but lacked top end so I added my hills ride in. I saw a 23% increase in my ftp in less than 3 years and that was post coach. The reality is that I was the strongest when I dedicated the most amount of time and used the 80/20 rule.
 
before i shit post i figured id add some value as i think i have a lot of thoughts on this topic;

a year round coach makes sense to someone new to riding. just because your event is in july, doesnt mean you cant build the foundation for gains in january. maybe the old salty vet does, but the dude who just got into this and is attempting his first 100 mile mtb race, it's easy to get too excited on that new years resolution bucket list and dig a hole.

for someone starting out, the answer is always just to ride more, do more hours. if you are doing 5 hours a week, do 6. sometimes you ride hard, sometimes you ride easy, whatever the crew is doing, you do. you will get faster. eventually you hit a wall, either mentally/physically and need to adjust. you need to push through this and decide if riding bikes is more of a priority. you adjust that plan of attack.

so you found a way to get over that physical/mental wall, "finding" more hours to ride by waking up early, sacrificing sleep, or cut out hanging out with your homies at the bar on a tuesday, riding to and from the group ride, something. you have found new friends at the local group ride that do 8-10 hours a week.

you are now maximized your hours, totally focused on getting faster, eating better, blah blah blah. you do this for a long time. you still see gains for a year or two. but they stop. you realize you need to do structured things. interval workouts, sometimes you do them with the group. but you also realize you need to ride easy sometimes. some friends get this, and some still want to do the 3 hour hammerfest on saturday. you have to decide between trying to get faster, or be social.

its nice to have someone motivated like you that you can talk into a hard ride, or a easier ride. this makes the hours/time go by.

but then the gains stop again. wtf.

what do i do now? you can wing it by using a canned plan, some advice from the internet, using ai, or your buddy who "knows everything" but does he really? he just told you to do a 3 hour ride on just water. just because hes faster doesnt mean its right. who do you trust? how serious about fitness are you here?

you didnt even talk about the racing you want to do now that you are all in bike boy now. when do you lay on the fatigue heavy, and when to dial it back. sure, some trial and error you can figure it out, but how do you know the balance between being too fresh or fatigued for a event? maybe it takes 2 years to dial that in.

preparing for a 100 mile race or a crit, you need to do different things. its easy enough to think that for a 100 mile gravel race you need to be able to ride forever, but do you do 30/30s still? if im doing a crit, do i need to be able to ride for 5 hours still?

some people like figuring stuff out on their own and i totally get that. they love doing the research, listening to the latest trends in science/fitness, see what the pros do and give it a go. thats cool.

or if you buy into someones philosophy, work with someone that you connect with and see where it goes. you are tapping into someones knowledge of (hopefully multiple) years of doing this and can make sure you are making the most of the time you have. they can notice the red flags, prioritize your goals, work around work/family/life etc. sure, you can drag and drop workouts in a canned plan, but is that honestly the best approach? who knows. just because you have 10 hours to ride and you just wing it, you may be faster if you are doing only 6 but very structured and focused efforts.

that last paragraph reminds me of a cx season i did. i was dead set on having a killer cross season in a 2/3/4 race. I was also getting married and going on a honeymoon trip in the beginning of september right before the first big race of the year. #greatplanning. i was paranoid that a week off the bike was going to kill me. how can i get faster by not doing anything for a week? we worked around that 10 days and i raced the next weekend and was on fire. someone else may have been on the cruise ship doing bike workouts, running 5ks, stressed about not being prepared. but in the end, a combination of:

-the placebo of someone telling me it will be okay because they've done this before
-me feeling confident about it being okay because of said someone
-planning for this in advance

put me in a better place. so the value of having that accountability coach goes beyond the workouts, its the added confidence that helps you sleep well at night that you are doing everything "right".

now to change gears, my biggest hang up that i cant get over is that there is a point where you have maximized your hours, follow a coach/plan 100%, eat right, sleep 8 hours aw eek and you are not getting better. this is me. i only had 10 hours a week that i had to devote to cycling. following the structure that everyone says to do, i hit a ceiling and couldnt break through it, for maybe 5 years or so? i could adjust my power curve to be more of a sprinter, punchier, but that 20 minute gauge of fitness never changed more than 3-5 watts over a year. for me,

i dont think a cycling coach is magically going to be able to make me faster. sure we can navigate a season of whatever im doing and prepare to be 1000% fit and ready to go on race day, but thats it.

i wrote all of that to say this;

i think that there is no silver bullet to keep "getting faster" if you cannot add more stress to your body. if you can only do a set amount of hours, eat well, sleep well, follow a good plan (you cant do workouts everyday), at some point that is as good as it gets. and you have to live with it.
 
before i shit post i figured id add some value as i think i have a lot of thoughts on this topic;

a year round coach makes sense to someone new to riding. just because your event is in july, doesnt mean you cant build the foundation for gains in january. maybe the old salty vet does, but the dude who just got into this and is attempting his first 100 mile mtb race, it's easy to get too excited on that new years resolution bucket list and dig a hole.

for someone starting out, the answer is always just to ride more, do more hours. if you are doing 5 hours a week, do 6. sometimes you ride hard, sometimes you ride easy, whatever the crew is doing, you do. you will get faster. eventually you hit a wall, either mentally/physically and need to adjust. you need to push through this and decide if riding bikes is more of a priority. you adjust that plan of attack.

so you found a way to get over that physical/mental wall, "finding" more hours to ride by waking up early, sacrificing sleep, or cut out hanging out with your homies at the bar on a tuesday, riding to and from the group ride, something. you have found new friends at the local group ride that do 8-10 hours a week.

you are now maximized your hours, totally focused on getting faster, eating better, blah blah blah. you do this for a long time. you still see gains for a year or two. but they stop. you realize you need to do structured things. interval workouts, sometimes you do them with the group. but you also realize you need to ride easy sometimes. some friends get this, and some still want to do the 3 hour hammerfest on saturday. you have to decide between trying to get faster, or be social.

its nice to have someone motivated like you that you can talk into a hard ride, or a easier ride. this makes the hours/time go by.

but then the gains stop again. wtf.

what do i do now? you can wing it by using a canned plan, some advice from the internet, using ai, or your buddy who "knows everything" but does he really? he just told you to do a 3 hour ride on just water. just because hes faster doesnt mean its right. who do you trust? how serious about fitness are you here?

you didnt even talk about the racing you want to do now that you are all in bike boy now. when do you lay on the fatigue heavy, and when to dial it back. sure, some trial and error you can figure it out, but how do you know the balance between being too fresh or fatigued for a event? maybe it takes 2 years to dial that in.

preparing for a 100 mile race or a crit, you need to do different things. its easy enough to think that for a 100 mile gravel race you need to be able to ride forever, but do you do 30/30s still? if im doing a crit, do i need to be able to ride for 5 hours still?

some people like figuring stuff out on their own and i totally get that. they love doing the research, listening to the latest trends in science/fitness, see what the pros do and give it a go. thats cool.

or if you buy into someones philosophy, work with someone that you connect with and see where it goes. you are tapping into someones knowledge of (hopefully multiple) years of doing this and can make sure you are making the most of the time you have. they can notice the red flags, prioritize your goals, work around work/family/life etc. sure, you can drag and drop workouts in a canned plan, but is that honestly the best approach? who knows. just because you have 10 hours to ride and you just wing it, you may be faster if you are doing only 6 but very structured and focused efforts.

that last paragraph reminds me of a cx season i did. i was dead set on having a killer cross season in a 2/3/4 race. I was also getting married and going on a honeymoon trip in the beginning of september right before the first big race of the year. #greatplanning. i was paranoid that a week off the bike was going to kill me. how can i get faster by not doing anything for a week? we worked around that 10 days and i raced the next weekend and was on fire. someone else may have been on the cruise ship doing bike workouts, running 5ks, stressed about not being prepared. but in the end, a combination of:

-the placebo of someone telling me it will be okay because they've done this before
-me feeling confident about it being okay because of said someone
-planning for this in advance

put me in a better place. so the value of having that accountability coach goes beyond the workouts, its the added confidence that helps you sleep well at night that you are doing everything "right".

now to change gears, my biggest hang up that i cant get over is that there is a point where you have maximized your hours, follow a coach/plan 100%, eat right, sleep 8 hours aw eek and you are not getting better. this is me. i only had 10 hours a week that i had to devote to cycling. following the structure that everyone says to do, i hit a ceiling and couldnt break through it, for maybe 5 years or so? i could adjust my power curve to be more of a sprinter, punchier, but that 20 minute gauge of fitness never changed more than 3-5 watts over a year. for me,

i dont think a cycling coach is magically going to be able to make me faster. sure we can navigate a season of whatever im doing and prepare to be 1000% fit and ready to go on race day, but thats it.

i wrote all of that to say this;

i think that there is no silver bullet to keep "getting faster" if you cannot add more stress to your body. if you can only do a set amount of hours, eat well, sleep well, follow a good plan (you cant do workouts everyday), at some point that is as good as it gets. and you have to live with it.
TL;DR. Prefer shit post.
 
I’m fairly willing to text insults to anyone daily for free.
I remember that one time....you sent me out to do tempo....300watts for ~2 hours...something like that....I ended up doing 299w for over 2 hours and you laced me with insults. goddam those were good times.
 
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