This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

JerseyPete said:
Sung, I assume you have family in South Korea still. The way they handled PPE for individuals was very smart. My understanding is that masks were sold at a fixed price to the general population through pharmacy outlets. Citizens were prescribed the mask and told to obtain them based on the numerical day of the month they were born. In other words it was an orderly distribution without price gouging, mandated from the government.
Is it too late or possible to do that now, here?
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I think the government went as far as jail time for hoarding.
 
Paul H said:
This is why I asked if they are difficult to make. They are not. I am sure there are plenty of US manufacturers can make them.
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Sure...but you just don't flip the switch on manufacturing equipment that you don't have. I come from manufacturing. The machinery that makes this stuff is fascinating, its also customized etc. and not cobbled together with parts that are sitting waiting to be used quickly. With that said, some mfg's can retool and make due and manage to build alternate products....however that takes a little time. By a little time I don't mean days, a week or 2 weeks. Doing it within the same month (where possible) is impressive for some who are trying. I get it though. Most people don't know what / how stuff is made.
 
Fat Trout said:
Sure...but you just don't flip the switch on manufacturing equipment that you don't have. I come from manufacturing. The machinery that makes this stuff is fascinating, its also customized etc. and not cobbled together with parts that are sitting waiting to be used quickly. With that said, some mfg's can retool and make due and manage to build alternate products....however that takes a little time. By a little time I don't mean days, a week or 2 weeks. Doing it within the same month (where possible) is impressive for some who are trying. I get it though. Most people don't know what / how stuff is made.
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@graveyardman67 - <--he makes stuff that makes stuff.

comments?
What about the availability of the raw material?

and the elephant in the room - what happens if someone claims they never took the mask off and still got sick.
there would need to be some sort of legal exemption for rapid develop/deploy.
 
Fat Trout said:
Sure...but you just don't flip the switch on manufacturing equipment that you don't have. I come from manufacturing. The machinery that makes this stuff is fascinating, its also customized etc. and not cobbled together with parts that are sitting waiting to be used quickly. With that said, some mfg's can retool and make due and manage to build alternate products....however that takes a little time. By a little time I don't mean days, a week or 2 weeks. Doing it within the same month (where possible) is impressive for some who are trying. I get it though. Most people don't know what / how stuff is made.
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My other question was... When did this start? There were plenty of time to do this.
Hindsight is 20/20... And I don't pretend to be a smart man. All I am saying is that it was possible if there were correct reaction.
 
Paul H said:
This is why I asked if they are difficult to make. They are not. I am sure there are plenty of US manufacturers can make them.
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They are not difficult to make. The machine to make them costs $6M.

Paul H said:
My other question was... When did this start? There were plenty of time to do this.
Hind is 20/20... And I don't pretend to be a smart man. All I am saying is that it was possible if there were correct reaction.
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Sounds like you should start your own business.

Honestly, you post too much and think too little. Google more please.
 
Paul H said:
My other question was... When did this start? There were plenty of time to do this.
Hindsight is 20/20... And I don't pretend to be a smart man. All I am saying is that it was possible if there were correct reaction.
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This all started years ago when everybody decided they wanted stuff as cheap as possible and much manufacturing was offshored for that reason. I think to consider a "correct reaction" as being that in January people should have shut down their plants to start making stuff they never made before in a panic for a health situation that has never hit our shores before would be a bit idealistic. Big ships don't make right turns.....unless perhaps they are torpedoed. I don't blame people for asking though.
 
Patrick said:
if 90% of the cheap respirators work, and 100% of the people without them die.....
non-standard times, call for non-standard actions.
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Really? Are we at that level of second guessing? If you mean now...OK sure and sure that's the consideration that I'm sure they are going through when you have a car manufacturer making medial equipment. However if you mean in advance of this thing getting rolling as bad as it is..... In this lawsuit crazy society, some company or companies were suppose to make a crapload of Iffy and underspec'ed respirators on the hope that something that never hit before would hit and be so bad that people would take them and accept so so operation and not sue. That's not practical to have thought should have happened.
 
pooriggy said:
They are not difficult to make. The machine to make them costs $6M.


Sounds like you should start your own business.

Honestly, you post too much and think too little. Google more please.
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Not sure why you are throwing insults... But whatever. However... Are you saying they could not "ramp" up production back a month or so ago like they are doing now? What's the difference?
 
Fat Trout said:
This all started years ago when everybody decided they wanted stuff as cheap as possible and much manufacturing was offshored for that reason. I think to consider a "correct reaction" as being that in January people should have shut down their plants to start making stuff they never made before in a panic for a health situation that has never hit our shores before would be a bit idealistic. Big ships don't make right turns.....unless perhaps they are torpedoed. I don't blame people for asking though.
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Sorry... But covid19 is not a torpedo?
 
Paul H said:
Sorry... But covid19 is not a torpedo?
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It is...and that's why you are seeing the reaction in manufacturing that is happening. I used the reference because of this situation. No company in their right mind would take the actions that are going on now without such a huge reason.

Manufacturing and supply chains are a balancing act. I'm sure places that could started to spool up the thought to do months ago but you just don't suddenly say double my delivery of "X" raw materials and have it show up at your plant the next day. Especially when "X" probably is made overseas and in demand by others.
 
Paul H said:
Not sure why you are throwing insults... But whatever. However... Are you saying they could not "ramp" up production back a month or so ago like they are doing now? What's the difference?
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That if production hasn't already been 'ramped up'. Machinery has a duty cycle as everything else, and its highest (unreachable) value is 100%...usually running equipment at higher duty cycle than recommended is the fast way to break them.
 
Fat Trout said:
It is...and that's why you are seeing the reaction in manufacturing that is happening. I used the reference because of this situation. No company in their right mind would take the actions that are going on now without such a huge reason.

Manufacturing and supply chains are a balancing act. I'm sure places that could started to spool up the thought to do months ago but you just don't suddenly say double my delivery of "X" raw materials and have it show up at your plant the next day. Especially when "X" probably is made overseas and in demand by others.
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That's what I mean. If the government got involved and said they will buy... The private sectors would have reacted. This is what happened in S Korea. The government stepped up and approached the private sector early on. That's why they did not have as much issues comparatively with testing.
 
Fat Trout said:
Really? Are we at that level of second guessing? If you mean now...OK sure and sure that's the consideration that I'm sure they are going through when you have a car manufacturer making medial equipment. However if you mean in advance of this thing getting rolling as bad as it is..... In this lawsuit crazy society, some company or companies were suppose to make a crapload of Iffy and underspec'ed respirators on the hope that something that never hit before would hit and be so bad that people would take them and accept so so operation and not sue. That's not practical to have thought should have happened.
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not a priori, no. that would be impossible. But there has to be some forward thinkers out there that
can put something out without the worry of litigation(meaning exemption) in an attempt to save some people in the short term -
as in start two weeks ago, and be pumping them out this week.

Not a simple problem, but we have smart people. were they caught off guard too?
 
serviceguy said:
That if production hasn't already been 'ramped up'. Machinery has a duty cycle as everything else, and its highest (unreachable) value is 100%...usually running equipment at higher duty cycle than recommended is the fast way to break them.
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In my line of work, every factory I have visited has spare machinery on stand by for just the occasion. If you are saying this is not the case for PPE manufacturers... Then I have nothing to say.
 
Paul H said:
That's what I mean. If the government got involved and said they will buy... The private sectors would have reacted. This is what happened in S Korea. The government stepped up and approached the private sector early on. That's why they did not have as much issues comparatively with testing.
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Yes, but from what I understand South Korea had a big shot across their bow with MERS in 2015. I found that interesting when I read something to the effect that certain politicians were hit really hard over the lack of reaction then. South Korea also being much closer to China....they had reason and history and scars of the past to incentivize them to act faster and sooner. The US has been sheltered from many things. That makes people, buisinesses and government complacent. The biggest thing going on in US government in December/ January was impeachment. How valuable was that in retrospect?
 
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