23-24 Ski and Snowboard thread

roc said:
Did you have the Salomon SX 91 Equipe with the rear entry? Those boots were everywhere also.
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But of course. When I threw those on ebay about 15 years ago there was a bidding war with like 10 different people bidding. They're all the rage for the people who have a hard time getting their foot into a boot. Hell, I might need those back soon.
 
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roc said:
Did you have the Salomon SX 91 Equipe with the rear entry? Those boots were everywhere also.
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i just tossed mine about a year ago - it might have been the mice that set-up house in them.
paired them up with the salomon cap skis, and cf poles, which survived the cold.

then i went to the dark side, never to return. you see, the snowboard industry figured out sidecut and rocker a long time before their ski buddies.
I've never skied shaped skis....i'm a shape-ski denier. 😉
 
Patrick said:
then i went to the dark side, never to return. you see, the snowboard industry figured out sidecut and rocker a long time before their ski buddies.
I've never skied shaped skis....i'm a shape-ski denier
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I mean its just an incorrect statement....side cut and shape goes back LONG LONG before snowboards were invented...long before our grandparents were alive. The MODERN interpretation of sidecut dates back to the two Elan engineers Jurij Franko and Pavel Skofic in the 80s....and they were influenced by Ingemar Stenmark who was "carving" since the 70s and won gold medals doing it. His style for Slalom and GS were totally different from what was popular at the time.

Now if you want to tell me that snowboarding influenced park skiing? 100% agree.
 
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UtahJoe said:
I mean its just an incorrect statement....side cut and shape goes back LONG LONG before snowboards were invented...long before our grandparents were alive. The MODERN interpretation of sidecut dates back to the two Elan engineers Jurij Franko and Pavel Skofic in the 80s....and they were influenced by Ingemar Stenmark who was "carving" since the 70s and won gold medals doing it. His style for Slalom and GS were totally different from what was popular at the time.

Now if you want to tell me that snowboarding influenced park skiing? 100% agree.
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what took so long?
and i was mostly trolling you two plank, stuck in the past, hippie types. 😀

I did ski once in the last 30 years - that was at Taos.

Those twin tip skis do look fun tho.
 
Patrick said:
what took so long?
and i was mostly trolling you two plank, stuck in the past, hippie types. 😀

I did ski once in the last 30 years - that was at Taos.

Those twin tip skis do look fun tho.
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well I don't really care about what influences what, im not anti snowboarding....but I just had to correct your incorrect facts 🙂

I have skied with snowboarders for 20+ years....Im well aware of their inferiority complexes LOL.

Side note....I was skiing with Eric Oishi last weekend, who like me started skiing in the late 70s.....I can remember most of the 80s where ZERO snowboarders would be seen....I can still remember the first one I saw in the later 80s in vermont......then its explosion in popularity in the later 90s...being one of the few people around here still on skis....Last weekend we are in line at stratton and just amazed how there were so few snowboarders...even at camelback the week before....seems like it has fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity
 
UtahJoe said:
well I don't really care about what influences what, im not anti snowboarding....but I just had to correct your incorrect facts 🙂

I have skied with snowboarders for 20+ years....Im well aware of their inferiority complexes LOL.

Side note....I was skiing with Eric Oishi last weekend, who like me started skiing in the late 70s.....I can remember most of the 80s where ZERO snowboarders would be seen....I can still remember the first one I saw in the later 80s in vermont......then its explosion in popularity in the later 90s...being one of the few people around here still on skis....Last weekend we are in line at stratton and just amazed how there were so few snowboarders...even at camelback the week before....seems like it has fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity
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At my advanced age, i've mostly ridden with skiers.

As long as they have a clue that i can't see where i can't see, and i'm going to backside speed check or just follow-up a good toe side carve, it's all good.

They are probably walking up the park - faster than a lift.
 
UtahJoe said:
well I don't really care about what influences what, im not anti snowboarding....but I just had to correct your incorrect facts 🙂

I have skied with snowboarders for 20+ years....Im well aware of their inferiority complexes LOL.

Side note....I was skiing with Eric Oishi last weekend, who like me started skiing in the late 70s.....I can remember most of the 80s where ZERO snowboarders would be seen....I can still remember the first one I saw in the later 80s in vermont......then its explosion in popularity in the later 90s...being one of the few people around here still on skis....Last weekend we are in line at stratton and just amazed how there were so few snowboarders...even at camelback the week before....seems like it has fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity
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out of my core group of riding buddies, I was 1 of 2 skiers and we had 6 snowboarders in the bunch. Kids were the reason 2 of them went back to skiing. It seems dragging a kid around skis is a lot easier then having to step out and walk.
 
Last week in Stowe wasn't bad at all. First 2 are screen shots of me in the woods on Thursday (some knee+ in spots once you searched around). Then our nephew Ryan under the double once we got out of the woods. Last one is of my sis-in-law in some lower woods off the gondola on Friday.

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Saturday was cold and the 2 main lifts closed for wind. So laps on the new 6 pack until the quad opened up. Then long wait times even in the single line. Went exploring and found still great conditions until I got loose after hitting a log (that was covered in wind blown) in the woods and hit a tree with my front leg and torquing my rear knee/leg. Boa system broke and I have a decent gash on my shin. Right knee/leg is wacky but starting to feel a little more normal.

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UtahJoe said:
well I don't really care about what influences what, im not anti snowboarding....but I just had to correct your incorrect facts 🙂

I have skied with snowboarders for 20+ years....Im well aware of their inferiority complexes LOL.

Side note....I was skiing with Eric Oishi last weekend, who like me started skiing in the late 70s.....I can remember most of the 80s where ZERO snowboarders would be seen....I can still remember the first one I saw in the later 80s in vermont......then its explosion in popularity in the later 90s...being one of the few people around here still on skis....Last weekend we are in line at stratton and just amazed how there were so few snowboarders...even at camelback the week before....seems like it has fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity
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What happened is, all those people that switched over to snowboarding had kids and their kids rebelled against what their parents were doing... and so they wanted to ski!
 
Bike N Gear said:
But of course. When I threw those on ebay about 15 years ago there was a bidding war with like 10 different people bidding. They're all the rage for the people who have a hard time getting their foot into a boot. Hell, I might need those back soon.
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Get yourself some Full Tilt boots (now part of K2)
They give you the easy in and out, but perform like a normal front entry boot.
It's a 3 piece shell based on the old Rachleigh Flexon design.
You can even change the boots stiffness by using different tongues.
 
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JPark said:
What happened is, all those people that switched over to snowboarding had kids and their kids rebelled against what their parents were doing... and so they wanted to ski!
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? I mean I suppose it makes as much sense as anything else....
JPark said:
Get yourself some Full Tilt boots (now part of K2)
They give you the easy in and out, but perform like a normal front entry boot.
It's a 3 piece shell based on the old Rachleigh Flexon design.
You can even change the boots stiffness by using different tongues.
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I would also say....go see Willy at ski barn in Paramus....have your boots properly fitted...major game changer.

These look interesting too for people who are really struggling with comfort...I would be a little concerned about how they performs, but I would bet at least as good as rear entry boots

Apex Ski Boots - Performance and Comfort | Apex Ski Boots

Apex Ski Boot System the leading ski boot that provides extreme comfort with out compromising performance.
www.apexskiboots.com www.apexskiboots.com
 
UtahJoe said:
? I mean I suppose it makes as much sense as anything else....

I would also say....go see Willy at ski barn in Paramus....have your boots properly fitted...major game changer.

These look interesting too for people who are really struggling with comfort...I would be a little concerned about how they performs, but I would bet at least as good as rear entry boots

Apex Ski Boots - Performance and Comfort | Apex Ski Boots

Apex Ski Boot System the leading ski boot that provides extreme comfort with out compromising performance.
www.apexskiboots.com www.apexskiboots.com
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Greg Pier at that Ski Barn is really who you want to see. Formerly the owner of Heino's ski shop.

Very mixed reviews on Apex boots from people who have skied them. Definitely not a true performance fit. There are some new mid-entry boots coming soon from Rossi that are supposed to be easy to get into. Also some newer boots are using softer materials at the throat to make entry and exit easier. Lange Shadows are supposed to be very easy.

Btw, the best thing for people interested in Apex boots is the fact that REI now sells them. You can return them if/when you hate them.
 
JPark said:
Get yourself some Full Tilt boots (now part of K2)
They give you the easy in and out, but perform like a normal front entry boot.
It's a 3 piece shell based on the old Rachleigh Flexon design.
You can even change the boots stiffness by using different tongues.
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I replaced my Flexon Comps with Full Tilts. Loved the Flexon Comps and super happy with the Full Tilts says the person with a wide foot 🙂
 

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UtahJoe said:
well I don't really care about what influences what, im not anti snowboarding....but I just had to correct your incorrect facts 🙂

I have skied with snowboarders for 20+ years....Im well aware of their inferiority complexes LOL.

Side note....I was skiing with Eric Oishi last weekend, who like me started skiing in the late 70s.....I can remember most of the 80s where ZERO snowboarders would be seen....I can still remember the first one I saw in the later 80s in vermont......then its explosion in popularity in the later 90s...being one of the few people around here still on skis....Last weekend we are in line at stratton and just amazed how there were so few snowboarders...even at camelback the week before....seems like it has fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity
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I started skiing/snowboarding in the 80's. Back then the resorts had no clue what to do with snowboarding. I got a cheap Burton Backhill for just that - local golf course and hills behind my house riding. I got ski's for the local ski hill in Western MA. I remember taking some ski lessons and the instructor being so strict with form and the overall feel of it was so stale (mind you I was a teenager who rode bmx and skateboarded). Luckily this small ski hill allowed snowboarding (after a test and a special badge to ride the lift) and I would snowboard after the ski lessons. Instead of skiing the mtn like it was a 2 land straight road with a 35mph limit I could ride it like it was a mini ramp on my snowboard.

Going into college in VT I was opened up to some way more difficult terrain and a much higher level of skier. But even then my skiers friends just wanted to ride bump runs or high speed GS turns straight down the middle of groomers. Although going into senior year exploring the woods and the side country came into play which was where I started to keep up to my skier buddies and really enjoy things.

I can see why snowboarding exploded in the 90's. Everything was new: kids wanting to learn something different than their parents; terrain parks had different setups every year (and sometimes every month); clothes and styles were totally different; and instead of bump events or GS races there were big air and halfpipe contests. Add to that snowboarding bringing the rider to the street including hip hop culture and style.

Now as snowboarding has gotten older things aren't as new. There is a reason ski's were invented before snowboarding. They are way easier to get around, traverse right or left, safer getting on and off the lift, standing on the side of the trail, etc. With the technology and comfort and variation in ski equipment these days it makes total sense. I used to crush my ski friends on powder or soft chunk when the ski's were skinny and long, but now they have ski shapes that work great in those conditions.
 
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