Car-spotting thread

shrpshtr325 said:
They could very well be running a break in on the engine before it goes into the car. Especially a high end car like that.

Hell processes have gotten so much better that residual contamination in the block is so minimal as to be almost nothing.(Which is why most cars don't require a short break in change when new)
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I would also think the oil filter takes out any particulates, so what exactly would be contaminating the oil?

Carson said:
First 100 miles was lots of engine braking (still under 4000 RPM max). Just basically running one gear lower than you would for cruising and varying the RPMs.

I followed the GT car head, Andreas Prueninger, suggestion adopted to the Carrera RPM range.

4000 for 400 miles
4500 at 600 miles
5000 at 800 miles
5500 at 1000
6000 at 1200
6500 at 1400
7000 at 1600
Redline at 1800

First oil change at 1500 miles even though Porsche says 1 year or 10K miles. Now I’ll do once a year which is 4 to 6K miles.
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I saw the AP method also, makes sense and matches up with what the dealer says. I'm asking for a friend.

shrpshtr325 said:
Yea the manual would be the gold standard. Whatever it says is definitely what should be followed. The mind blowing thing to me is the people that don't trust it(in this case it's the cars which say no break in change required or the guys who still change their oil at 3k miles ect ect) and think they know better than the guys who designed built and tested everything.
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Not sure I subscribe to the no break-in school of thought. I could agree with it if the manufacturer ran some type of procedure on a dyno, but I think most high-end car makers run the engine up to redline cold before it even goes in the car just to make sure it was assembled properly and nothing catastrophic would happen. Car engines are made with different types of metals with different rates of thermal expansion. I would think that logically some thermocycling is required over time before driving balls-out.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
Since you're one of those fanatical Porsche people, what break-in procedure did you follow for your car, and when did you change your oil (this is hotly debated topic I find)? Porsche is one of those companies that tells you to change your oil at 10-15k intervals, even on brand new cars.
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well after he started the engine and let it idle for 5 minutes....he then took it to the dealer...had the engine removed and sent it to a tropical paradise for 3 month sabbatical.....this only cost about $25,000...During that time @Carson drank the fancy Porsche dealership coffee, drove around their SUV loaners and told us about how much better Porsche service is that Chrysler.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
I would also think the oil filter takes out any particulates, so what exactly would be contaminating the oil?


I saw the AP method also, makes sense and matches up with what the dealer says. I'm asking for a friend.



Not sure I subscribe to the no break-in school of thought. I could agree with it if the manufacturer ran some type of procedure on a dyno, but I think most high-end car makers run the engine up to redline cold before it even goes in the car just to make sure it was assembled properly and nothing catastrophic would happen. Car engines are made with different types of metals with different rates of thermal expansion. I would think that logically some thermocycling is required over time before driving balls-out.
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break in vs break in (oil) change. Moving parts certainly need some time to wear into place, especially when they run against each other, but mfg is so good that there is likely very minimal wear during this period and ignoring it will not likely hurt anything(hell most people dont even bother looking in the manual and just drive away, the average car company takes that mentality into account when doing the design and build of the cars), and like you mention the oil filter will catch it so changing the oil is only necessary if the mfg says to do so.
 
shrpshtr325 said:
break in vs break in (oil) change. Moving parts certainly need some time to wear into place, especially when they run against each other, but mfg is so good that there is likely very minimal wear during this period and ignoring it will not likely hurt anything(hell most people dont even bother looking in the manual and just drive away, the average car company takes that mentality into account when doing the design and build of the cars), and like you mention the oil filter will catch it so changing the oil is only necessary if the mfg says to do so.
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always thought the first oil change was to flush the mfg/assembly lube, and any little bit of flashing - which should get stuck to the magnetic drain plug (Fe) or in the filter as mentioned.
 
UtahJoe said:
well after he started the engine and let it idle for 5 minutes....he then took it to the dealer...had the engine removed and sent it to a tropical paradise for 3 month sabbatical.....this only cost about $25,000...During that time @Carson drank the fancy Porsche dealership coffee, drove around their SUV loaners and told us about how much better Porsche service is that Chrysler.
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This must be why they're so f'n expensive. Espresso, tropical vacations, and therapy sessions for the motor (and owners) are built into the cost.

shrpshtr325 said:
break in vs break in (oil) change. Moving parts certainly need some time to wear into place, especially when they run against each other, but mfg is so good that there is likely very minimal wear during this period and ignoring it will not likely hurt anything(hell most people dont even bother looking in the manual and just drive away, the average car company takes that mentality into account when doing the design and build of the cars), and like you mention the oil filter will catch it so changing the oil is only necessary if the mfg says to do so.
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Oh, Porsche understands the mentality of their owners. In addition to the key chains, coffee mugs, pens, and other swag they give you with a new car, a trickle charger is included (not joking) for the when the car sits in the garage for weeks because there's a 10% chance of rain in the forecast. And to keep the battery charged while the motor is in the Bahamas.
 
UtahJoe said:
well after he started the engine and let it idle for 5 minutes....he then took it to the dealer...had the engine removed and sent it to a tropical paradise for 3 month sabbatical.....this only cost about $25,000...During that time @Carson drank the fancy Porsche dealership coffee, drove around their SUV loaners and told us about how much better Porsche service is that Chrysler.
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Yeah but I beat the piss out of their Cayenne all hopped up on caffeine for two days.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
This must be why they're so f'n expensive. Espresso, tropical vacations, and therapy sessions for the motor (and owners) are built into the cost.


Oh, Porsche understands the mentality of their owners. In addition to the key chains, coffee mugs, pens, and other swag they give you with a new car, a trickle charger is included (not joking) for the when the car sits in the garage for weeks because there's a 10% chance of rain in the forecast. And to keep the battery charged while the motor is in the Bahamas.
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I slid the keychains back to the salesman and said order me a Python Green coffee mug and ship it to the house. It was done.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
The 718 people get carbon fiber pens, I suppose to make them feel special too since the bought the "cheap" Porsche.
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My wife knows nada about Porsche cars. She was once sitting in the Ray Catena waiting area (probably getting her nails done) and some guy sits next to her. He pointed to his Cayman and said that's his. She said "Oh, that's the cheap one, right?" Guy probably cried all the way home.
 
Bike N Gear said:
My wife knows nada about Porsche cars. She was once sitting in the Ray Catena waiting area (probably getting her nails done) and some guy sits next to her. He pointed to his Cayman and said that's his. She said "Oh, that's the cheap one, right?" Guy probably cried all the way home.
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My friend has a older Boxster and was getting gas and some guy came up and said "That's a really nice car, but you would think they would put nicer wheels on them." Ouch.
 
Carson said:
Shit, I looked. I do have the pen!
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Really? Unity amongst all the Porsche people.

GSTim said:
My friend has a older Boxster and was getting gas and some guy came up and said "That's a really nice car, but you would think they would put nicer wheels on them." Ouch.
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They finally made them look good, have nice wheels, with a real motor just in time to discontinue them.
 
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