Is more than a grand less and it’s not plastic. Wasn’t it canyon the company that had the battery issues, people were stuck with out a bike for months.
It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?
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Robson
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They did but not the one with TQ motor.
My point was canyon released a do not ride notice in September and the new batteries were available in February…..
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
Many are in this category.
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
Yup. This is why I buy my ebikes from LBS. Thankfully I haven't had any warranty claims yet but if and when I do, I'll have a place to get it resolved.
I spend 1/2 my days advocating for our customers. Other shops will say the same.
It actually surprises me that the Direct To Consumer bike companies seem to have the customer service that they do. You would think that part of their business model would be providing that support since they're cutting out the middle man.
If you're on the internet buying a DTC bike you're also able to see all the reviews of people with broken frames that had issues getting replacement warranty parts. While you'll easily find tons of people talking about their warranty replacement frames from the usual LBS brands.
If you're on the internet buying a DTC bike you're also able to see all the reviews of people with broken frames that had issues getting replacement warranty parts. While you'll easily find tons of people talking about their warranty replacement frames from the usual LBS brands.
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Cannonbill
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Honest question
Where can you legally ride an ebike in NJ or NY?
Both NY and NJ are pretty clear that they do not see e-bikes of any class as permitted use on any natural trail systems (single track and etc.)
They are only permitted on hardened trails that are either paved or crushed stone.
Do people really not care?
Where can you legally ride an ebike in NJ or NY?
Both NY and NJ are pretty clear that they do not see e-bikes of any class as permitted use on any natural trail systems (single track and etc.)
They are only permitted on hardened trails that are either paved or crushed stone.
Do people really not care?
Ian F
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Hmm... never really thought about... in general the rule is simple: Don't be a Dick. Follow that rule when interacting with other trail users and the chances of negative encounters will be greatly reduced.
I've only ridden my e-bike in 6MR and Port Jervis and I don't remember seeing any "no e-bikes" signs at either trail head.
I've only ridden my e-bike in 6MR and Port Jervis and I don't remember seeing any "no e-bikes" signs at either trail head.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
Bike shop e bikes look like regular bikes so I doubt most people would even notice. But yeah, there are no e bike signs pretty much everywhere. Some of the signs differentiate between pedal assist and throttle.
Cannonbill
Active Member
Agree that most avg people could not tell the difference, but I still think the question is valid.
People used to be anti-mtb because they thought we were rowdy and destructive. Times have changed thanks to education at all levels and a lot of volunteer effort by orgs like JORBA etc.
Probably the same effort needed for e-bikes if the laws are going to change.
Until then, people are ok just saying F**k-off, I’ll do what I want? Personally, I don’t think this is OK. I also get that people don’t care what I think, so….
People used to be anti-mtb because they thought we were rowdy and destructive. Times have changed thanks to education at all levels and a lot of volunteer effort by orgs like JORBA etc.
Probably the same effort needed for e-bikes if the laws are going to change.
Until then, people are ok just saying F**k-off, I’ll do what I want? Personally, I don’t think this is OK. I also get that people don’t care what I think, so….
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the policy that most parks are using is roughly this for compliance on trails:
Ebike need to have pedals
Under 100 lbs
Less than 100nm
No throttle/ pedal assist only
20mph max speed
@pooriggy might confirm what his parks say.
Cannonbill
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The state laws are very clear for NY and NJ state parks . Ebikes of all classes are not permitted on natural surface trails in state parks (dirt, mulch and etc.). It’s very clearly explained IMO. Local parks (county and town) can draft their own rules.
Ebikes are permitted on paved and crushed stone surfaces.
Sterling Forest in NY recently posted “no e-bike” signs at all trailheads.
Trailforks for Ringwood state parks clearly states that e-bikes are not permitted use.
So, not being aware of the laws is a reasonable excuse? A person on a dirt bike or quad can say the exact same thing.
Ebikes are permitted on paved and crushed stone surfaces.
Sterling Forest in NY recently posted “no e-bike” signs at all trailheads.
Trailforks for Ringwood state parks clearly states that e-bikes are not permitted use.
So, not being aware of the laws is a reasonable excuse? A person on a dirt bike or quad can say the exact same thing.
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Class 1 & Class 2 ebikes are permitted in Monmouth County Parks.
What I see, its just more users. Which means more potential problems. If 1 out of 100 is a jerk/problem, poplular parks are going to have a lot of jerks/problems. This is not just limited to mtbers. I see off leash dog altercations. Hikers straight lining trails. Bags of dog poop all over. Mtbers making rogue trails, not yielding to other users, riding e-motos.
It takes time and energy to educate the public on proper trail use. Despite this effort, some folks just don't care. It's frustrating at times.
Cannonbill
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@pooriggy Agree with you. The number of people on trails with e-bikes and little to no understanding of trail ettiquette seems very high.
I am not talking about people who have a history of riding bikes and also ride an emtb, more so the people who bought the emtb as an only bike and just assume they are treated the same.
The etiquette I speak of has to do with right of way, in general, and in particular on climbs, twisty/technical single track and downhills. All have their own advantages in-terms of why e-bikes and mtbs are very different and these rights of way considerations are important.
I am not talking about people who have a history of riding bikes and also ride an emtb, more so the people who bought the emtb as an only bike and just assume they are treated the same.
The etiquette I speak of has to do with right of way, in general, and in particular on climbs, twisty/technical single track and downhills. All have their own advantages in-terms of why e-bikes and mtbs are very different and these rights of way considerations are important.
As far as downhill goes, the etiquette has shifted, imo. We used to yield to the uphill rider, now we yield to the downhill person. I think it makes more sense to let someone enjoy the downhill without stopping.
The issue i see with ebikes, occasionally an ebiker will pass on tight single track flat way too fast. This is not cool, just because the bike will do 20mph, doesn't mean you should.
This is 100% why they are banned and ticketed at the state park by me. They see 1.1 million visitors a year (that's not a typo) and see e-bikes as an additional user to the existing users.
It made sense to yield to the uphill rider when we were basically riding gravel trails on shitty 26" hardtails with v-brakes. Now both the bikes and the trails are different.
Cannonbill
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My experience is different, both in observation and practice. I always yield to climbers and find that same courtesy returned almost universally, logic being the climber is doing all the work, and disrupting the pace is much more disruptive.
Perhaps this is micro regional?
Also, re e-bikes on tight single track, if they are a solid rider with skills, i probably won’t even see them. The riders I do see are generally not capable (skills wise) of operating an ebike at the speed a standard mountain bike is capable of, and I, on a much lighter more agile bike, get stuck behind. Same happens on the downhills. I will always ask to “pass at the next oppty”, a Mtn biker will usually yield, an ebiker will usually try to speed up, 50/50 they are able to handle a heavy ebike at that speed.
I am no spring chicken at 53, but have been on a mtb for approx 35 yrs and riding local area trails for that same amount of time.
In the end, IMO emtbs and mtbs are not compatible or the same in the same way a mtb and a person on a horse or a hiker is not compatible or the same, and the etiquette and probably laws need to be adjusted for the new use case.
These are my observations only, and derail from my actual question about ebike use when and where it is clearly not permitted, and the general sentiment about it.