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...and if you do the VIP thing, which costs like 5 bucks, you save like 10%. Link to it through DCRainmaker's site and he gets a taste. Just sayin'.
I had my wisdom teeth out 20 years ago. The dentist had to straddle me to get the uppers out. Then one exploded and he spent 15 minutes grinding and tearing. There was actual smoke. The nurse had the nitrous cranked WAY above the normal dosages, which was great, but wouldn't have been necessary if I hadn't done all those whippets when I was younger, but that's another thing entirely. Cool thing, the pockets end up with food in them for weeks after. Surprise snacks!
I had my two uppers pulled a few years apart. The first one was comical how the dentist was yanking back and forth and i started laughing because of it. I looked at the tooth after they pulled it and was horrified it lived in my mouth.

The other my dentist didnt want to deal with so an oral surgeon did it and those guys are pro AF, numb, come back in 10, casually extract and leave. It was impressive.
 
On wisdom teeth -

had mine out at 16 - might have relayed the story before. They were sideways and impacted so it was night-night surgery.
I woke up while they were working on the last one. Nurse says he's away! I say Hurry up!
then there was percodan (which they don't do anymore) !

GLWWT
 
Removing my wisdom teeth was uneventful, but as we were leaving the surgeon's office, I almost wandered into traffic and insisted that I wanted saltines when I got home. My mom informed me that I couldn't have solid foods, to which I replied, "Put them in a blender. They said if you put it in a blender it was okay". I did not eat saltines that day, but I did end up eating Chicken Masala through a straw (after blending, of course). No regrets.
 
I was only born with two wisdom teeth, which I guess is why I'm only half as smart as an average person. Had them yanked about 5 years ago and I remember not being able to sleep on whatever painkiller they prescribed, so I stuck with OTC meds for relief. Just my $0.02...good luck and hope your sleep gets better soon.
 
I had all my wisdom teeth out when I was in college. Some were impacted or partially impacted, so they knocked me out and took them all out. I don't really remember much about it, other than waking up and the nurse told me that my mom went to the pharmacy to get pain meds but that they could give me more Novocaine in the meantime if I was in pain. I obviously got more Novocaine.
 
Thank you for your reply. Yes, 8 was/is the magic number. I always thought it was because that was how long a CX lap was or something.

This past weekend I decided to see what I could churn out for one 20 minute effort and was pleasantly surprised I hit 3.93 w/kg (my highest for 2018 before this was was 3.96 w/kg in that one gravel race, and still the highest I've ever hit), which really got me thinking, "When do I ever push for that long, that steady, ever?" I wasn't thrashed by the end of it, not sure I could have done it again, but it was an interesting effort.

The 5/8 minute is more drastic from me year to year. It doesn't bother me that much to push for that long. Every time I see @UtahJoe or you talking about 20 minute efforts, I thought I would either completely melt down or cook myself without even trying. Like you said, it's because I trained around the shorter duration instead of the long ones. I guess, two ways to skin a cat?
 
The 5/8 minute is more drastic from me year to year. It doesn't bother me that much to push for that long. Every time I see @UtahJoe or you talking about 20 minute efforts, I thought I would either completely melt down or cook myself without even trying. Like you said, it's because I trained around the shorter duration instead of the long ones. I guess, two ways to skin a cat?
its all relative...the first ten minutes of a 20min set flies right by....The last 5 go by like a prison sentence tho. When norm wanted to make my life suck....1min full sprint race start into 19min set @95% ftp. I think he texts me this workout and says...lol lets see if this asshole would actually do this nonsense.

as @Norm said....5's are a bastard. Especially when your goal is to hold the same ave. power from set 1 to say set 5. I try to do these as hill repeats now bc I find holding 5min power on a flat is absurd.

2+ hrs of tempo is hard too, but moreso bc by then my back, neck and body are just really hurting.

I had my wisdom teeth pulled by a UMDNJ student/resident who was about 4'9 and maybe 90lbs....she had to put her knee on my thigh and pull. Only Novocaine, but only ~$150 IIRC.
 
Q: since it is an average power (area under the power curve divided by time) - what is the strategy for maximizing the area? does it start out with a tempo effort, and then try to put more power in as time goes on, until hitting a threshold that can be held to the end?

Or does it start out hard and hang on for as long as possible?

my internetz search found results that looked like the first, but since it is a test, and not a race, is pacing the right way to go?
 
Q: since it is an average power (area under the power curve divided by time) - what is the strategy for maximizing the area? does it start out with a tempo effort, and then try to put more power in as time goes on, until hitting a threshold that can be held to the end?

Or does it start out hard and hang on for as long as possible?

my internetz search found results that looked like the first, but since it is a test, and not a race, is pacing the right way to go?

When it comes to intervals, pacing is definitely the way to go, unless otherwise instructed like in @UtahJoe's example. To your point, you can usually take about 20-30 seconds to ramp up to the desired effort. If you start out too hard, you risk having the bear jump on your back and you end up limping through the rest of the interval. Conversely, starting off too easy for too long can put you in a hole that is hard to get out of.
 
Blame the full moon for shity nights sleep. I tend to just get ossified for full moons. That moon should just be blown up save us a lot of hassle down here.


My 4 wisdoms were pulled by a most awesome Pa. Dentist in my 20's. He said I may venture in and out of wakey but not to worry. He put me on a morphine drip, hands down the absolute best high ever. As I was done and 1st wife needed to escort me out I went reaching for the teeth as I yelled I wanted them and shit fell every where. Then the wife says got to go in the bank stay in the car. As she is in the bank the teller says isn't that your husband. As i sat in the middle of their lawn ripping grass clumps out. Then I went into shock and high fever at home where the dentist had to come to our house to give penicillin shot. Good times!!!
 
This is what I get for a fitness test. I dont think KL will mind me sharing here.


Fitness Test. Easy 10+m warm-up. In second-half, include 2 45s gray Tempo openers, not easy not hard, comfortably pushing, then a short 20s steady hard LT effort, priming you.


Our first effort is 8m, max effort, down in the bars, aggressive position. I want the highest power output for 8m. GO! I would advise taking 30s to ramp up power, and by then you are at full-max pace. Then 20m easy recovery riding.
The second part is a 16m interval, riding as hard as you can before it hurts, this upper sweet spot. Find this effort and hold it – you’ll know it once there. Then warm-down 10+m.
 
This is what I get for a fitness test. I dont think KL will mind me sharing here.


Fitness Test. Easy 10+m warm-up. In second-half, include 2 45s gray Tempo openers, not easy not hard, comfortably pushing, then a short 20s steady hard LT effort, priming you.


Our first effort is 8m, max effort, down in the bars, aggressive position. I want the highest power output for 8m. GO! I would advise taking 30s to ramp up power, and by then you are at full-max pace. Then 20m easy recovery riding.
The second part is a 16m interval, riding as hard as you can before it hurts, this upper sweet spot. Find this effort and hold it – you’ll know it once there. Then warm-down 10+m.

I did a handful of these with Ken over a few year span. While it was never a pleasant experience, I was always thankful that there was only one 8m max effort (as I believe some tests call for two) AND that the max effort was only 8m (not 20m or longer). It was always very satisfying to raise my FTP after putting in all the work in the preceding weeks/months/years.
 
The Straight Toof

Update on the toothache - was only up for an hour last night but half of that was moderate pain. The other half I was reading the 3rd Murderbot book which I am about 90% done with now. Overall I think I slept 11:30 to 7:00 with an hour interlude for pain alleviation & reading. Called the Mouth Mining Specialist today and made a reservation on the USS Wisdom Tooth, destined for the Port of Extraction. Due date for that baby is next Wednesday. My gosh this paragraph is horrible. Anyway, I never had my wisdom teeth removed before because they are not impacted. I had 1 removed at one point because it needed a root canal and they don't waste effort on that. It was easy. They may take 2 of the 3 remaining out, depending on something or other which I don't really know.

Overall, pain is subsiding but it's still tender. Not on Advil 24/7 now, which is good.

Canada

As I was working this morning a calendar event popped up reminding me we are going tomorrow, which I am flat-out not mentally ready for. But time waits for no man (I assume no clam either, but I really don't know for sure), and at some point tomorrow we will be heading north, time TBD. Plan is to hit Montreal for 1 night and stay in the condo, then meet up with Tony, one of D's friends that we occasionally get together with for food. He is a foodie so he'll figure out where we are going.

Then off to the cottage, Thursday late morning through Monday morning. I guess in the end we're only going to be there 3 full days but also most of Thursday then we'll hit up KT on the way back. I saw on Strava today that the other side of the hidden trails are open, and I'm looking forward to that. So we'll be bringing the mountain bikes with us, which I'll try to ride as time permits. Maybe I'll hit the trails 1 day then just ride MTB-on-road the others.

I don't know what we have any specific plans the 3 days we are up there this year. Eat.

On the Bike Today, Training by Racing

As I have said previously I am looking to train "naturally" and in the case of today it is in the form of a Zwift race in Innsbruck. It was a 17.5-ish mile loop with 2838 feet of climbing. Strava effort was 139 which is solidly high. The first effort up the hill is where the meat of the workout lies. Here's a pic:

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* Light blue is speed - you can see where I hit the hill, then crest & bomb down
* Purple is power - you have the explosion at the start, then around 2 miles I settle in and work the climb
* Red is HR - as @UtahJoe mentions, note how the HR drifts up where the power remains relatively stable

The payoff here is that 2->6.5 mile stretch where the climb happens and the race settles in. In all the first 30 minutes were the meat of this and where I got my main work set in. Pushing up this with other people motivates me. On the second climb (which I did not expect at all) I was out of steam to an extent and I had to lower my output to hang in there.

In all, I was in the middle of the 183 man field almost exactly, around 90th or something. I think I was 26th in the Cs, out of maybe 50? I think I crested the first hill in 15th but then I bled spots on the 2nd. This is a guess.

Today I raised my indoor FTP from 272 to 287. I have not done a test indoors nor outdoors. Typically I will be able to output more power when I go outside. I think before Zwift, 220 inside was approaching mental death. Zwift has helped me address that. And apples to apples, the indoor FTP number is going up. That's all I want.

On a last note, I have always been able to get higher numbers when I do my work outside of a strict training set. I think my best CP20 was when I flatted once on an A ride, fixed the flat, then slaughtered myself to catch back up. In the end I took a shortcut and got help from a red light. But I managed to get them back. That sort of effort is really hard "in a lab" so to speak. I find efforts with other humans involved the best way to hit the highest numbers. On that note, the push method of training your FTP is probably mentally much easier.

Training - the Bigger Picture

I am not going to get into what this means, other than to say this is a graph which represents "fitness" - how this is generated is black magic, and it depends what software you use. Again, it's overly complex. The graph gives you the point, this is my last 6 months:

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Observations:

1. Note the graph climbs. This is the volume I have put in. This is building up your base fitness
2. The peak is Kingdom Trails
3. Right now my "fitness" is 86. This is just some number
4. The first Build in my CX plan is the slight rise to the right of the peak
5. Then there is the lull, the rest week
6. 86 is me in the midst of my current Build, the second block

The point here is that these successive Builds will move that "fitness" number more each time. In my years of doing this, 100 is a great number to aim for. It's really hard to hit that. And anything above that is hard to maintain and have a real life. But these are general numbers to think about. Maybe if all goes well, I can get nudge that close to 95. A lot has to go right to do that.

Ok I digress. Let me answer the obvious question you have: Why don't you just ride a metric shit ton like you did at Kingdom? The answer is that "fitness" is just a generic number which only measures by some arbitrary system to grade your workouts. It does not measure the type of workout at all. So you can get there with LSD (long slow distance) or sharp, pointy efforts like non-stop intervals, A rides, and races. Either will get the "fitness" up.

If you raise that number by doing big volume, you're not going to be working the specifics that make you race better. So you need to combine volume, sharp efforts, rest, and some pot of good luck. All of this is what we call the art of trying to train. There are other metrics here, called "fatigue" and "freshness" which I personally feel are somewhat nonsensical. I have never had any actual correlation between feeling good and this "freshness" number.

Mind you, I have not looked at this graph until yesterday. It's interesting enough and it's a perfect illustration at how this works. And frankly it does help justify that I am moving in the right direction.

Now to @fidodie - I am not sure if this is what you think you were asking. But I think this addresses a lot of questions you will have when you follow the logical extension of your questions. Because the way to get the most area under the curve is to find the highest power you can do for 3 hours and do that all the time. Your "fitness" will go off the charts. So then it becomes a question of what you are trying to train. Add a lot of fitness? Train a weakness? Train a strength? 1s, 2s, 5s, 15s, 20s? There are all sorts of ways to look at it. What helps you attain the goals you want to attain?

Let me answer for 95% of the people out there - ride like I did at KT. As much as possible, and forget about effort. Your fitness will go off the charts. And everything will get easier. All the rest is mostly overthinking.

I am not sure that training strict CP numbers is actually the best approach unless you ride 15-20 hours a week.

@pearl - when you go with 8s, in the end you're going to have a harder time totalling 45 or 60 minutes of threshold work. By working with 15s or 20s, you end up with more total time in the desired zone.

The Reality of it All

I have to work 34 points (hours) of stories by 1:00 tomorrow. And while I have done 12 of those since my 4:00 call ended, I am not sure I feel like killing myself to knock out the remaining 22. So instead of blowing my night working, I am writing this up while we watch John Wick. It's not really very good but it's mindless enough that I can write this and get the highlights, which is "if you are not named John Wick, you will die." Reeves is a pretty poor actor really.

Now that v1 of this post is done, I will go work on some of those stories I need to get done for tomorrow.

Or maybe I'll read a book.
 
Thanks Norm -

i may be confusing ftp with cp?

There are always tricks in taking a test to get the best results or the most accurate measurement.
More specifically about taking an ftp test at any number greater than 5ish, as that might be of the turn-yourself-insideout-for-5.

In measuring CP20, what is the right way to maximize that area by changing effort over the course of the test? Is it the same as CP60?
or are CP numbers something you train to, or are they a measurement that comes out of a hard effort, like a race?

does zwift have handicaps like in golf, so i can hold on for a few minutes? 😀
 
Thanks Norm -

i may be confusing ftp with cp?

There are always tricks in taking a test to get the best results or the most accurate measurement.
More specifically about taking an ftp test at any number greater than 5ish, as that might be of the turn-yourself-insideout-for-5.

In measuring CP20, what is the right way to maximize that area by changing effort over the course of the test? Is it the same as CP60?
or are CP numbers something you train to, or are they a measurement that comes out of a hard effort, like a race?

does zwift have handicaps like in golf, so i can hold on for a few minutes? 😀
I know this is norms blog and you asked him a question, but ill share my experience since I do alot of these and Norm is the one who helps me with this stuff....

When I do FTP training, I "like it" when I mentally I am in the "woohoo im racing" zone as opposed to the "total fucking misery" zone. There is a line somewhere for me. For me I try REALLY hard to be steady.

Some days I can do 3x15 @ X and its hard, but I can get thru it with no issues. Somedays the first set is easy, but 5 min. into the 3rd im in a deep dark hell. But I like to think of it as on whatever day...I have X amount on energy in my battery, I need to figure out how to do Y amount of work with it, somehow someway. This is where I like the power meter...Heart rate data lies, power meter never lies...when you suck, it tells you.

First 5 min of a 15-20 set is always easy at this X power number...over time I have learned to ignore my brain saying....oh this is easy, you can do X+1 for this set. I know that by set 3 ill be cursing myself. BC ultimately the goal is total 3x15, or 2x20, or whatever at this power #...Somedays my legs are tired and hurting...So increasing cadence helps as I will need less torque on the pedals....Other days my body is tired from xyz...not sleeping enough...whatever it might be...Then lower cadence can help...more torque on the pedals, but lower heatrate needed. Just have to figure out someway to keep the power output at X. Somedays im 10min into my last set and im like...dam I feel great, lets floor it and use whatever is left in this battery. Of course my workouts are actually 3 days long, so this bites me in the ass the next day usually when im doing tempo for 2hrs.

So much of this is mental tho and comes with experience of doing it over and over again. I find I dont do well with the full blitz start then fade downwards method. My peak will be high, but the backside is more of a shear cliff. Mentally...whether im racing, or staring at my ave. pwr for a set...When I see the number dropping and I cant stop it...or I start fading in a race and start bleeding spots...it doesnt put me in a good place. Id always prefer to start poorly and finish strong.

Ok not a clue if I answered any questions, but im SURE I decreased the readership of this blog by 18%....your welcome.
 
Let me answer for 95% of the people out there - ride like I did at KT. As much as possible, and forget about effort. Your fitness will go off the charts. And everything will get easier. All the rest is mostly overthinking.

A certain individual has been talking something similar with the fitness level and I guess i am in the 95% that really DGAF about that. It is more like, be in good enough shape to not get shelled. However, that is relatively easy when you have control over who you ride with.

But related to the fitness thing, whats the end goal, being the fittest you can?
 
A certain individual has been talking something similar with the fitness level and I guess i am in the 95% that really DGAF about that. It is more like, be in good enough shape to not get shelled. However, that is relatively easy when you have control over who you ride with.

But related to the fitness thing, whats the end goal, being the fittest you can?

Wow I didn't know I was such an authority on training metrics!
 
That Strava graph is so misleading with the raw fitness number. Apparently my highest fitness number this year is 70, and the highest it ever was, was in 2014 during the June 30 for 30 challenge at 83. No way I was "more fit" in 2014 then now. The only difference was I didn't have power in 2014.

EXPLAIN THAT PLZ
 
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