Sissification of deer Park
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Someone has been chainsaw happy and I have been getting a little peeved with short cuts and such that have been popping up. DP is allamucys popular park and brings in a lot of beginners but that doesn't mean we need to make everything easy does it? I am disappointed in some of the few challenges being erased. Also if you take the time to build your stupid rock and log build ups I am the one who takes them apart just so you can know who is doing it...
Dr Superb
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Yea, that sucks. I haven't been there, but out of curiosity, do the features that have been "sissified" have secondary routes around them?
For example, Six Mile has ways around just about all the trail features of the top of my head, and I haven't seen much of this stuff get cut down at all lately.
The only thing i ever really see there are some rogue rollers or jumps.
Not to say that the trails should be widened or modified at DP to provide an alternate route for the less skilled riders, but perhaps its an option worth weighing to save the trails features that are appreciated by the more experienced rider.
For example, Six Mile has ways around just about all the trail features of the top of my head, and I haven't seen much of this stuff get cut down at all lately.
The only thing i ever really see there are some rogue rollers or jumps.
Not to say that the trails should be widened or modified at DP to provide an alternate route for the less skilled riders, but perhaps its an option worth weighing to save the trails features that are appreciated by the more experienced rider.
Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
That was me guys, sorry! I'm headed back up to North next weekend to start removing the rocks. Anyone want to help?
Seriously that's just ridiculous. I don't ride DP a whole ton but when I do get there I'm always up for the challenges even if it's simply a log-over that I wind up walking anyway. I wish people didn't feel the need to sanitize the trails. I can't imagine that its a MTB rider....
Seriously that's just ridiculous. I don't ride DP a whole ton but when I do get there I'm always up for the challenges even if it's simply a log-over that I wind up walking anyway. I wish people didn't feel the need to sanitize the trails. I can't imagine that its a MTB rider....
I noticed this as well.... wtf!?? Is this the park cutting, or just some tool with a saw taking out the good stuff so they can say they cleared a certain trail? everything that was cut were log overs that you could probably accidently clear without a problem........ 😡
its not just deer park, some is doing the same thing at tourne in the last week or so (i noticed it today)
Shaggz
A strong 7
Brilliant!
Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
Busted
Frank
Wookie
I've only been to DP a few times in my life (can't convince myself not to go to North if I'm out that way). Even the smallest logs had trail widening go arounds. If that's the way it's going to be and that's the average caliber of rider that goes to DP, probably better just to cut the logs and stop trail expansion.
jdgang
Well-Known Member
one or two of them, but even that none of them where that crazy. The one I was most PO about was the one at the end/beginning of a rock garden on the trail leading out of the top of the first parking lot. I had never cleared it before and was waiting for the day where I could say I did it!!!!
I can't think of a single time a thread like this actually yielded anything productive but I'll throw my .02 in anyway.
If I want technical trail features, I certainly do not count on down trees to satisfy that requirement. At best the ruin the flow of a trail and at worst are a huge contributor to trail widening. Okay, so the trees are gone an the original flow is back the way it was before the tree fell. I mean this is DP we're talking about; certainly not on the top of my must see parks for technical riding.
Anyway, it just seems that posting on internet is probably the absolutely worst way to make change. If you don't agree, then come out for trail maintenance and have some actual input. There are open ears there if you guys want to get involved. (and I know some of those that posted here do TM)
If I want technical trail features, I certainly do not count on down trees to satisfy that requirement. At best the ruin the flow of a trail and at worst are a huge contributor to trail widening. Okay, so the trees are gone an the original flow is back the way it was before the tree fell. I mean this is DP we're talking about; certainly not on the top of my must see parks for technical riding.
Anyway, it just seems that posting on internet is probably the absolutely worst way to make change. If you don't agree, then come out for trail maintenance and have some actual input. There are open ears there if you guys want to get involved. (and I know some of those that posted here do TM)
Smart man.
I'll give you the "at worst" part, but on the "at best" part, I disagree. The vast majority of people like riding trees in the trail. So at best, they add a challenging trail feature that many people enjoy. North is littered with downed trees that have become trail features. Why are these not taken out?
If the policy of all of the Allamuchy parks (and Jorba) is to remove all downed trees, I would understand. But sometimes yes, sometimes no, sends a mixed message. Discussions like this are an opportunity to educated those of us who simply don't know what the truth is.
The OP has been to TM sessions there before. So there's obviously a disconnect. The Internet is a great place to share the information that she (and I) don't know about. After all, isn't that why you started this site? 😉
Well I was generalizing as JORBA did not remove the trees you are all speaking of. I have been to TMs with her as well and others in this thread so this wasn't a hey come out and perform TM message. It was a hey you have the wrong audience for your complaint kind of message.
Not everything is "de-sissified" There is a great deal of thought into what is left and what is removed. A lot of riders also enjoyed the trail before the tree fell so who's right here? The point is that trees fall, they rot, they get cut out, they get ramped, etc. Don't count on them to be there for ever. Ride them while you can if that's your thing.
I'm all for information sharing but this is what you call a witch hunt. There's certainly a "tone" to this thread that can be read a mile away obviously not intended by the OP.
But discussions, undermining productive efforts, criticizing organizations/individuals helping to organize trail maintenance. Whatever you want to call it is fine by me. Like I said it's only my .02 so agree or not that's fine I don't hold it against anyone.
But I digress, the point is that JORBA didn't remove the trees indicated, dead fall and down trees come and go and arguing on the internet doesn't yield anything other than barriers that shouldn't be there.
Well it's just venting, which I understand. I know a lot of people were vocally against the same action at CR when the park decided that trees had to go, but my opinion is that trees fall, and they'll come back.
The point about rot is a perfectly valid one. No matter how awesome the logstacle is, it will rot in time unless you're riding the Petrified Forest, and I'm not sure that's an actual place or it was something I used to see on Woody Woodpecker as a kid.
I think it hits home more when it's your "home park", like it is in this case with the OP. I'm fairly sure she didn't mean any harm with the post, especially since she rides often with Karen and is active. In the end, people want to know why these things happen. It's normal, and it's not going to change. If you continue to post responses like this it can only help people understand the hows & whys of what goes on.
Did the park remove the trees? Or does nobody know?
We're trying to figure that out now but nothing yet.