Sleep?!?! How do you do it?

rick81721 said:
Also technically true but let's be realistic - they aren't investigating THC results. And now the Air Force has relaxed their criteria - an initial positive test barred new applicants, now they get a chance to retest weeks later. And there will be a shift to saliva vs urine testing


Not at all. You guys still aren't grasping the concept of zero tolerance - it simply isn't true. The initial test cutoff is 50 ng/ml. So if your test result is 45, you pass.

I have no interest in CC
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WTF is the point of smoking weed or eating gummies if my cut off is 50 ng/ml?.....im fairly certain that level is so low that I would not feel any "high" from it.

I was tired after my gym workout last night....went to bed at 9....fell asleep at 10....woke up at 3 to take a piss....couldnt fall back to sleep....layed there listening to a podcast trying to, but it wasnt working for a while....finally started to drift off, just in time for my wife's 4:15 alarm to go off. I think I finally fell back to sleep at 430 and work up at 6, not terrible.
 
rick81721 said:
Also technically true but let's be realistic - they aren't investigating THC results. And now the Air Force has relaxed their criteria - an initial positive test barred new applicants, now they get a chance to retest weeks later. And there will be a shift to saliva vs urine testing


Not at all. You guys still aren't grasping the concept of zero tolerance - it simply isn't true. The initial test cutoff is 50 ng/ml. So if your test result is 45, you pass.
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I already responded to this, but again, I agree that analytical tests aren't going to have "0" as the actual measurable standard. I'm not arguing that zero tolerance = testing at 0 ng/ml, which is likely impossible based on the methodology. The conditions of your employment aren't based around testing below a certain level, they're based around not using and that can be and is investigated in multiple different ways other than testing. For those of us that this applies to, we don't use CBD products, we avoid places where other people may be using, we don't allow other people to have it in our houses, etc. For whatever general public acceptance there is at this point, that is not at all the reality for people in certain careers. That's why we're saying that there's zero tolerance.
 
Pearl said:
How do I stop having to wake up to pee at night, shit kills me bruv

Is it just part of getting old?
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embrace it...

last night in bed and asleep around 10 - cat is outside, get up to pee at 2:30. just as i'm falling back asleep, i hear the fox making his way towards our house.
s/he likes to make noise to alert the cat. been happening for a couple years.
This time he doesn't keep going, so i let the cat in. Fall back asround 4:30. sleep until 7:00.

all i could think about was Rick's arg that zero isn't zero - which i guess there has to be some slop otherwise false positive at 95%CI?
should i order a kit, since i don't and i'm not around it - i should test zero(ish)
 
Sometimes the dog decides to slam around in his crate randomly and wakes me up; his crate is in the hallway. Gotta try and move it farther from our door

Rick would be the type of dude that would argue that you are never actually touching something
 
Patrick said:
all i could think about was Rick's arg that zero isn't zero - which i guess there has to be some slop otherwise false positive at 95%CI?
should i order a kit, since i don't and i'm not around it - i should test zero(ish)
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No it's a level of usage argument. The detection limit for THC metabolites in urine is less than 1 ng/ml. So if you get tested and they find any, you have been using (or been exposed second hand). If the policy was strictly zero tolerance, then the standard would be any detected - you fail. That is not the case. And here is some data - I just tested myself - I use every day. Not alot, but a 2.5 mg edible in the evening and multiple hits of almost pure THC vape. My urine level right now is borderline pos at 50, neg for higher.

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PS why is this board so slow the last two days? It's virtually unreadable
 
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UtahJoe said:
WTF is the point of smoking weed or eating gummies if my cut off is 50 ng/ml?.....im fairly certain that level is so low that I would not feel any "high" from it.
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You would be wrong. You do realize we are talking urinary metabolites 12 hours later, not blood levels of the active right after usage, right? 🤣
 
shrpshtr325 said:
your not grasping the concept that zero tolerance exists bc it is contrary to your own beliefs, the some of us are living the life where zero tolerance is the NORM, not the exception, where any detectable amount could cost someone their job.
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My belief is that weed should be treated the same as alcohol, but that has nothing to do with this argument. Here is an analogy to help you understand. Suppose the legal standard for drunk driving was zero tolerance. That would mean, if they detect any level of alcohol in your blood, you go to jail. But they don't (unless you are under age). If you test at 0.08% (most states), you get a DUI. If you test significantly lower, and you aren't impaired, you get to go home.
 
rick81721 said:
No it's a level of usage argument. The detection limit for THC metabolites in urine is less than 1 ng/ml. So if you get tested and they find any, you have been using (or been exposed second hand). If the policy was strictly zero tolerance, then the standard would be any detected - you fail. That is not the case. And here is some data - I just tested myself - I use every day. Not alot, but a 2.5 mg edible in the evening and multiple hits of almost pure THC vape. My urine level right now is borderline pos at 50, neg for higher.
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rick81721 said:
PS why is this board so slow the last two days? It's virtually unreadable
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rick81721 said:
You would be wrong. You do realize we are talking urinary metabolites 12 hours later, not blood levels of the active right after usage, right? 🤣
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Are we seeing a pattern here? Rick, you're fucking stoned. Go back to bed.
 
rick81721 said:
Nah this is a factual, scientific argument. If you don't understand science, you won't get it.
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You used an analogy of the legal BAC limit, which is what is used to define what driving impaired is. The law is that you can't drive if you're over the legal limit. The rules for DoD are "You cannot use", not "You can use below the limit that we test for". Urine testing is just one of the ways that this is policed. We understand the science around test limits, but you don't seem to understand that there's more to the conditions for employment than just this testing limit.
 
rick81721 said:
My belief is that weed should be treated the same as alcohol, but that has nothing to do with this argument. Here is an analogy to help you understand. Suppose the legal standard for drunk driving was zero tolerance. That would mean, if they detect any level of alcohol in your blood, you go to jail. But they don't (unless you are under age). If you test at 0.08% (most states), you get a DUI. If you test significantly lower, and you aren't impaired, you get to go home.
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this is not the same, the rules are if you trip ANY results on the test that are not 0 you lose your job

ebarker9 said:
You used an analogy of the legal BAC limit, which is what is used to define what driving impaired is. The law is that you can't drive if you're over the legal limit. The rules for DoD are "You cannot use", not "You can use below the limit that we test for". Urine testing is just one of the ways that this is policed. We understand the science around test limits, but you don't seem to understand that there's more to the conditions for employment than just this testing limit.
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exactly this, the part thats not being understood (by rick only apparently) is that there are organizations which have a limit of 0 for using it, or even being around or associated with it, reasonable to him or not, those are the regulations agreed to in these cases.
 
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