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Question for the electricians in the house here:

Now that the new to me pool is installed, I went to connect the filter and noticed the green/copper wire I used to connect to the filter was missing. I always assumed this was a ground wire for the pump in case anything shorted out. when I asked the new pool installer about it he stated that its not needed since this pool has resin material posts and that the old one could not be reused it was all rusted/rotted out.

I challenged him on this since the pool wall is still steel but he seemed to be under the impressions its not needed. I started to look this up with google and youtube and the more I read the more I am convinced he's 100% incorrect and that its actually code to have it installed.

Before I backfill the edges of the pool I wonder if this is something I can do myself or not. the former version of this was just one wire installed into a spot on the filter pump but now I am seeing things like drilling into the skimmer so I am totally confused. Especially since "Bonding" and "Grounding" are not the same thing. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of the old setup.

@Mtbdog
@Patrick
@Santapez

Thanks for your inputs.
 
iman29 said:
Question for the electricians in the house here:

Now that the new to me pool is installed, I went to connect the filter and noticed the green/copper wire I used to connect to the filter was missing. I always assumed this was a ground wire for the pump in case anything shorted out. when I asked the new pool installer about it he stated that its not needed since this pool has resin material posts and that the old one could not be reused it was all rusted/rotted out.

I challenged him on this since the pool wall is still steel but he seemed to be under the impressions its not needed. I started to look this up with google and youtube and the more I read the more I am convinced he's 100% incorrect and that its actually code to have it installed.

Before I backfill the edges of the pool I wonder if this is something I can do myself or not. the former version of this was just one wire installed into a spot on the filter pump but now I am seeing things like drilling into the skimmer so I am totally confused. Especially since "Bonding" and "Grounding" are not the same thing. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of the old setup.

@Mtbdog
@Patrick
@Santapez

Thanks for your inputs.
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Call you inspector. I think it needs to be hooked to anything metal. Maybe in more than 1 place.
 
Patrick said:
Call you inspector. I think it needs to be hooked to anything metal. Maybe in more than 1 place.
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Thanks I may have to do that but given the urgent nature of the pool reinstallation i didn't contact the town beforehand. The original pool and electric was all installed with proper permits etc... 22 years ago so I am legit as far as the town goes.

The more I look into it the more I see that since my pool is all resin materials (top coping, posts, lower rail etc...) , the wire likely just needs to go from the pool wall seam where its bolted together, to the bonding lug on the pump since there's not reason to attach the wire around the pool to resin posts. but I also get that codes and regulations vary.
 
iman29 said:
Question for the electricians in the house here:

Now that the new to me pool is installed, I went to connect the filter and noticed the green/copper wire I used to connect to the filter was missing. I always assumed this was a ground wire for the pump in case anything shorted out. when I asked the new pool installer about it he stated that its not needed since this pool has resin material posts and that the old one could not be reused it was all rusted/rotted out.

I challenged him on this since the pool wall is still steel but he seemed to be under the impressions its not needed. I started to look this up with google and youtube and the more I read the more I am convinced he's 100% incorrect and that its actually code to have it installed.

Before I backfill the edges of the pool I wonder if this is something I can do myself or not. the former version of this was just one wire installed into a spot on the filter pump but now I am seeing things like drilling into the skimmer so I am totally confused. Especially since "Bonding" and "Grounding" are not the same thing. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of the old setup.

@Mtbdog
@Patrick
@Santapez

Thanks for your inputs.
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I'm not an electrician so not sure why I was tagged. I just play with electrical stuff professionally and at home. 🙂
I know nothing about pools. Was the ground wire to ground the actual pool itself? Or housing of the filter that used to be metal?

In theory with a working GFCI feeding your equipment the ground isn't needed for personal protection as any current that leaves the primary path should trip the breaker, and the ground would only be for providing a ground path during a short to ground until the breaker trips to protect the wire.
 
Santapez said:
I'm not an electrician so not sure why I was tagged. I just play with electrical stuff professionally and at home. 🙂
I know nothing about pools. Was the ground wire to ground the actual pool itself? Or housing of the filter that used to be metal?

In theory with a working GFCI feeding your equipment the ground isn't needed for personal protection as any current that leaves the primary path should trip the breaker, and the ground would only be for providing a ground path during a short to ground until the breaker trips to protect the wire.
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ok my bad I thought from prior posts you had electrical background/experience.
 
iman29 said:
ok my bad I thought from prior posts you had electrical background/experience.
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I do. But I'm not an electrician and don't know about pools. 🙂

If you need to power some low voltage 4-20mA analog devices or 4,160 volt equipment, I'm your guy. Or if you need to automate the filling or draining of your pool, I got you. 🙂
 
Mahnken said:
My Genesis turns ten this year. Still going strong.
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Same except mine is ca. 2000. Yup 25 yrs and only replaced propane as needed and flavorizer bars. Oh and thermometer. Even the silly igniter button still works.

A good cover, regular, year-round use, and maintenance are key.
 
w_b said:
Same except mine is ca. 2000. Yup 25 yrs and only replaced propane as needed and flavorizer bars. Oh and thermometer. Even the silly igniter button still works.

A good cover, regular, year-round use, and maintenance are key.
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First 2 times getting to use it was this week of course when it’s 100F outside but we didn’t want to turn the oven on and make indoors warmer.

It’s a little less cooking space than the off brand grill but man does it heat up fast and it definitely cooks nice and even with no hot spots so far.

Prev owner took good care of it it was under a grillzebo with a cover on it so no visible rust anywhere. Hope it lasts 20+ years like my prev little Weber. Still a steal for $250!

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iman29 said:
Question for the electricians in the house here:

Now that the new to me pool is installed, I went to connect the filter and noticed the green/copper wire I used to connect to the filter was missing. I always assumed this was a ground wire for the pump in case anything shorted out. when I asked the new pool installer about it he stated that its not needed since this pool has resin material posts and that the old one could not be reused it was all rusted/rotted out.

I challenged him on this since the pool wall is still steel but he seemed to be under the impressions its not needed. I started to look this up with google and youtube and the more I read the more I am convinced he's 100% incorrect and that its actually code to have it installed.

Before I backfill the edges of the pool I wonder if this is something I can do myself or not. the former version of this was just one wire installed into a spot on the filter pump but now I am seeing things like drilling into the skimmer so I am totally confused. Especially since "Bonding" and "Grounding" are not the same thing. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of the old setup.

@Mtbdog
@Patrick
@Santapez

Thanks for your inputs.
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The pump needs to be grounded, you need a ground halo around the pool connected to any metal you can. The skimmer gets a grounding lug connected to the halo. A ground rod should be driven into the earth and connected to the halo. The halo must be one continuous piece. Use split bolts to tie in your leads to the filter motor,pool, and skimmer.
 
Mtbdog said:
The pump needs to be grounded, you need a ground halo around the pool connected to any metal you can. The skimmer gets a grounding lug connected to the halo. A ground rod should be driven into the earth and connected to the halo. The halo must be one continuous piece. Use split bolts to tie in your leads to the filter motor,pool, and skimmer.
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thanks @Mtbdog I knew you would have a good response for me - just wish you were still here in NJ to help me ;-P

I have seen various ways to connect the pool water/skimmer and I didn't like the option to drill a hole into my brand new skimmer basket. I found this option which simply installs under the pump side skimmer which seems much easier (see below).

The only challenge I have at the moment is now that the pool is full, I think they used one of the post covers to conceal where the pool wall joins, which is where all the DIY Youtube videos say to attach the wire via one of the wall bolts. The good news is I have not backfilled around the pool yet so I have less work to do to lay the wire halo around the pool. What I have seen/read so far several times is that since only the pool wall is metal, I only have to attach it in one spot. And driving in a grounding rod is relatively easy task as I have plenty of access to do this as well near the pump to connect to the pump at the end.

Whats interesting is the old pool only had the one wire running to the pump, nothing else and that pool was all metal (top rail, posts, etc...). Maybe different requirements 22 years ago?


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i think the halo is to catch stray currents.
I don't remember installing a skimmer ground but I like it. Inground has sacrificial anode near pump too. Keeps the ladders from failing

Good project!
 
Patrick said:
i think the halo is to catch stray currents.
I don't remember installing a skimmer ground but I like it. Inground has sacrificial anode near pump too. Keeps the ladders from failing

Good project!
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Yeah looks simple enough but this pool started off as complicated so I don’t want to jinx it - yeah I probably already did.
 
The range hood has been on its last legs for months. I was able to find a replacement motor for cheap on amazon (appears to be genuine too) but its been sitting around due to my assumption of a PITA replacement. I finally looked at it tonight and realized I didn't need to do much, just drop the filter and fan blade and there were 4 nuts to get at it. Total job time was maybe 15 mins.

Of course it wasn't going to be that easy, the fan blade is rubbing somewhere. I think the new motor has a shorter shaft. I'll play with it another day.
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rlb said:
Back on capacitors, I want to order a backup. The york replacement is $50

Is there any reason this $20 Home Depot option wont do?
www.homedepot.com

Packard Titan Pro Run Capacitor 40+5 MFD 440/370-Volt Round TRCFD405 - The Home Depot

Bring extended life to your motors with the selection of this affordably priced and durable Packard 25/5 Titan Pro Run Capacitor 440 Round
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Im no expert, but for the extra $30 I like the peace of mind that it's "like for like" instead of finding out on a sunday at 5pm when its been 95F all day that its not.
 
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