This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

a.s. said:
Just because you check “yes” on the form that asks, “Have you tested positive for coronavirus?” does not add you to the statistics. I’m pretty sure the CDC is going off actually lab results and not hospital admission forms.

Also, hospitals don’t get more funding and more money if they report extra positive covid results. Another FoxNews bullshit theory.
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What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with checking boxes on forms. Everyone who gets admitted to a hospital gets tested for covid. If they test positive, they are included in the "covid hospitalizations" count.
 
jShort said:
admitted for Covid statistic.
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I'm going to guess it is more like:
admitted with covid - since they seem to know this was not the primary reason for the visit, and if the patient was asymptomatic.
This is an interesting sampling - same as the bloodwork at dialysis or donation centers.

Are visits to the emergency room "random" enough to project onto population?
 
Patrick said:
I'm going to guess it is more like:
admitted with covid - since they seem to know this was not the primary reason for the visit, and if the patient was asymptomatic.
This is an interesting sampling - same as the bloodwork at dialysis or donation centers.

Are visits to the emergency room "random" enough to project onto population?
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What's to guess about? This is very simple. If you are in a hospital and test positive for covid, you are a covid hospitalization. A better metric would be hospitalized solely for covid but I don't know if any hospitals break that out.
 
rick81721 said:
What's to guess about? This is very simple. If you are in a hospital and test positive for covid, you are a covid hospitalization. A better metric would be hospitalized solely for covid but I don't know if any hospitals break that out.
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no you are not - you are there for a broken arm, and happen to have covid. you are going home in a couple hours.
not a hospitalization for covid - esp in red states 😉

although they may move you to the covid area to prevent further spread.
not that broken arms are that contagious. unless following Bill.
 
Norm said:
Do either of you *know* how the metrics are counted?

Wait, sorry. I forgot where we are.
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Exactly.

COVID-NET Overview and Methods | CDC

Learn about COVID-NET, a hospital-based surveillance system that includes demographic and underlying health data from hospitalized COVID-19 patients.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

so it totally depends on if they move you to the covid ward while setting your arm.

wait - like 10 states report like that.
 
Patrick said:
no you are not - you are there for a broken arm, and happen to have covid. you are going home in a couple hours.
not a hospitalization for covid - esp in red states 😉

although they may move you to the covid area to prevent further spread.
not that broken arms are that contagious. unless following Bill.
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No one is talking about ER visits - that is not a hospitalization.
 
Norm said:
I'll double down that they are all blue.

Did I win?
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Nope. But it doesn't make any difference. Pat just posted a link to CDC surveillance database with a small number of hospitals. All states are going to count covid hospitalizations the same way.
 
rick81721 said:
No one is talking about ER visits - that is not a hospitalization.
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this is exactly what we were talking about - going in for something specific like a broken arm, and receiving a positive covid test.

a.s. said:
Does it matter? I mean Covid is Covid, right? We need to know how contagious and infectious this sh*t is to better fight it.

By we I mean the scientist… and @Patrick.
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i'd claim important - is the person a waiter? gym rat? bus driver? or someone with few public contacts.
why are they asymptomatic? demographics, vax status. all free data to collect while a person is sitting there.
cause that is how we get to your point on fighting it. (and if we are trending in the right direction)
 
a.s. said:
Does it matter? I mean Covid is Covid, right? We need to know how contagious and infectious this sh*t is to better fight it.

By we I mean the scientist… and @Patrick.
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Well, if that is happening (and I have no clue either way), I think it would matter a little. Just to keep an accurate count of people in hospitals due to the vid.
 
Patrick said:
this is exactly what I WAS talking about - going in for something specific like a broken arm, and receiving a positive covid test.
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FTFY. Again, no relevance to covid hospitalizations

PS thinking about it, I wonder if they even test people in the ER for covid if they are there for an injury like a broken arm? Though probably - wifey was tested a second time when she went into the hospital for a few hour procedure after her knee surgery.
 
rick81721 said:
FTFY. Again, no relevance to covid hospitalizations

PS thinking about it, I wonder if they even test people in the ER for covid if they are there for an injury like a broken arm? Though probably - wifey was tested a second time when she went into the hospital for a few hour procedure after her knee surgery.
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Yes I was tested for Covid in the ER along with other tests for my visit (last week)
 
rick81721 said:
FTFY. Again, no relevance to covid hospitalizations

PS thinking about it, I wonder if they even test people in the ER for covid if they are there for an injury like a broken arm? Though probably - wifey was tested a second time when she went into the hospital for a few hour procedure after her knee surgery.
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She was admitted to the hospital, not hospitalized for covid. Even if she was positive, it wasn't a hospitalization.

That is exactly what we are talking about.
 
Patrick said:
She was admitted to the hospital, not hospitalized for covid. Even if she was positive, it wasn't a hospitalization.

That is exactly what we are talking about.
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Sounds like you are still confused. That procedure (in may) was outpatient, it wouldn't have counted as a hospitalization whether she tested positive or not. She went in the previous month (April) for knee replacement surgery. She was in the hospital for 4 days. If she tested positive for covid in her entry test, she would have been counted as a "covid hospitalization", even if asymptomatic.
 
rick81721 said:
Sounds like you are still confused. That procedure (in may) was outpatient, it wouldn't have counted as a hospitalization whether she tested positive or not. She went in the previous month (April) for knee replacement surgery. She was in the hospital for 4 days. If she tested positive for covid in her entry test, she would have been counted as a "covid hospitalization", even if asymptomatic.
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That is the core question.

It seems wrong, but the hospital gets paid more.
It is another code on the sheet. Requires different handling.

What were we discussing?
 
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