thegock
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A friend of mine told me during freshman year that his Dad had a big BMW bike.He went on to explain that there are two rival BMW clubs for shaft and chain driven bikes, and that they didn't really like each other. Who gnu?
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A friend of mine told me during freshman year that his Dad had a big BMW bike.He went on to explain that there are two rival BMW clubs for shaft and chain driven bikes, and that they didn't really like each other. Who gnu?
mfennell
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Checking in with cases/100k, 18 days on:
FL: 112
NJ: 20
Death rate is 10X NJ too (0.94 vs 0.09)
On Aug 2nd, it was 73/13 IIRC.
It's actually kind of interesting (setting aside all the dying for a moment). FL has a 51% vaccination rate. The other states in the top 5 (FL is currently 3rd) are in the 30s. I read a good article somewhere that offered this analysis of why it's so bad in FL: we don't really know yet. Sure, it's hot and lots of people are inside (one theory that comes up) but it's really hot in AZ too and they have a less vaccinated population but their case rate is 35% of FL.
JerseyPete
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Years ago MG people would always give the finger to Triumph drivers.
On a topic related note, BJ's had about 50% people back to wearing masks. Also some stores in Cape May required masks to enter.
I like to imagine them as the Jameson vs Bushmills of the forum.
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
Land rover owners, real ones driving older than MY1995, don't wave any more, we stop and help each other get going again...
Shaggz
A strong 7
Dude. WTF? Even if it's fake, WTF? First ignore on MTBNJ.
rick81721
Lothar
Yep, but I think FL is over the hump in terms of cases/day - gotta see the weekly report. NJ is still going up. Interesting that the southern states are having a much sharper/higher 4th wave compared to northern states - presumably due to less overall infected + less vaccinated. Note FL vaccination rate jumped considerably over the last 6 weeks - in early July, NJ had 10% more with at least one dose - now it is 6% more.
thegock
Well-Known Member
[Realizing u won't see this and doubting that "WTF" is actually a question,] the still is from True Detective S1E5, which is pivotal and some of the best TV of all time. The viewer ratings for it were off the charts. Also, didn't get the layout of the text and picture correct and deserve to be ignored for that, alone.
Finally, channel my inner Glenn Close to Michael Douglas screaming in Fatal Attraction: "I will not be ignored..." This leads to the obvious question of: what is the record for most # of people ignoring a poster and will Max be pissed when he gets the email that he is no longer KOM?
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i'm confused - i've moved onto being a foreign policy expert, so my infectious disease certificate has expired. 😉
anyway, what is more important right now?
antibodies? or the ability to make antibodies?
and i do mean right now - i would conjecture that being able to put up an immediate response is important to prevent spread.
that means immunization and boosters -
as a parallel, isn't that the idea behind the flu vaccine? we can fight it off w/o the shot, but it goes easier with the shot.
esp for immuno-compromised/older folks.
couple of articles talk about the booster shot shooting the antibodies way up.
Isn't this the long term goal? the body now recognizes and reacts - vs the wtf is that response?
anyway, more rambling than anything.
in local news the head of our school district said masks -
our mayor just said that parents should be able to choose for their children. He has no authority to dictate to the school district,
but felt compelled to say something. Other mayors in the region seem to have the same "ideology"
Originally, I thought this was a neutral statement - cause politics. With a little more though, I decided this was an untested
experiment in disease transmission. It could make or break the person that implements it.
consider the "experiment" the mayor is proposing.
setup:
last year: students attend in-person every other day. masks all day. no lunch, gym, or study hall.
it worked in our town. no cases traced to the school system.
this year: normal schedule, masks mandated. they haven't decided on gym.
----if there is an outbreak traced to school, we've done what we could.
it wasn't enough, or an impossible ask.
alternate: there are masked and unmasked students.
---if there is an outbreak traced to school, what is the differential in spread between masked and unmasked students?
will the post-ex reveal how many students actually wore a mask when they saw others weren't? will it depend on
the "influencer kids" ? The teachers?
It will turn into finger pointing.
Hellofa risky position.
On the other side: Kids reflect the views of their parents up to HS or so.
forcing a mask on a kid whose parents refer to it as a muzzle can't be good.
don't blame the kids, that is for sure.
anyway, what is more important right now?
antibodies? or the ability to make antibodies?
and i do mean right now - i would conjecture that being able to put up an immediate response is important to prevent spread.
that means immunization and boosters -
as a parallel, isn't that the idea behind the flu vaccine? we can fight it off w/o the shot, but it goes easier with the shot.
esp for immuno-compromised/older folks.
couple of articles talk about the booster shot shooting the antibodies way up.
Isn't this the long term goal? the body now recognizes and reacts - vs the wtf is that response?
anyway, more rambling than anything.
in local news the head of our school district said masks -
our mayor just said that parents should be able to choose for their children. He has no authority to dictate to the school district,
but felt compelled to say something. Other mayors in the region seem to have the same "ideology"
Originally, I thought this was a neutral statement - cause politics. With a little more though, I decided this was an untested
experiment in disease transmission. It could make or break the person that implements it.
consider the "experiment" the mayor is proposing.
setup:
last year: students attend in-person every other day. masks all day. no lunch, gym, or study hall.
it worked in our town. no cases traced to the school system.
this year: normal schedule, masks mandated. they haven't decided on gym.
----if there is an outbreak traced to school, we've done what we could.
it wasn't enough, or an impossible ask.
alternate: there are masked and unmasked students.
---if there is an outbreak traced to school, what is the differential in spread between masked and unmasked students?
will the post-ex reveal how many students actually wore a mask when they saw others weren't? will it depend on
the "influencer kids" ? The teachers?
It will turn into finger pointing.
Hellofa risky position.
On the other side: Kids reflect the views of their parents up to HS or so.
forcing a mask on a kid whose parents refer to it as a muzzle can't be good.
don't blame the kids, that is for sure.
rick81721
Lothar
Not sure what you are asking in the first part - immunity is more than just antibody titers. In any event, interesting study out of Israel is showing that those previously infected are significantly better protected against re-infection compared to those vaccinated.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties
Re: mask policy in schools, CDC conducted the largest study to date in Georgia schools. Conclusions - the only policies that resulted in significant reduction in infections were masking of teachers and increased ventilation. Masking of kids, hybrid attendance, social distancing, hepa filtration were not significant:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html
TimBay
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As a parent of small children I think masks, no masks, IDGAF. Get my kids in school. Love my kids but 1. I gotta work. 2. I'm not an educator. 3. School provides group structure. 4. I gotta fucking work!
since it was last year, was there a group not wearing masks/distancing as a control?
seems they used other countries' data? anyway, interesting read. popped over to the cdc and they had their usual caveat right out front
In addition, the studies in this review describe school operations when multiple, layered prevention strategies were in use including universal masking policies, limited class sizes, and cohorting. The studies are also not limited to experiences in the United States and do not account for new variants of the virus. This context is important to consider when reviewing this summarized science.
This is the more interesting year, because there are going to be schools, and groups in schools, that won't mask.
there will be plenty of data to decide if masks are useful.
and sure, the under 12 group doesn't do a whole ton of stuff without their parents around - other than school.
so community vaccination rate is going to be a significant driver.
rick81721
Lothar
You are confusing policy with practice. The question is, does the policy of mandating that kids in school wear masks vs giving parents/kids choice make a difference in transmission rates? Not mandating masks does not equal not wearing masks. The data shows it is not significant. FL saw similar results last year.
We have a friend who is on his kid's school board in PA. He voted for the kids to wear masks. He now gets some type of police protection due to all the death threats he received. Fun times.
rick81721
Lothar
A thought on the first part of this post - the focus should be on getting those who haven't been vaccinated or not previously infected vaccinated. Boosters aren't a bad idea but aggressively pushing a booster to those already protected after only 6 months (which looks like what they are about to recommend) - seems to me just adds more fuel to the conspiracy theories that these vaccines don't really work.
TimBay
Well-Known Member
Let's play Pascal's Wager here.
Masks/reduces likelihood of illness: good shit
Masks/don't work: ah fuck, we tried
No Masks/no issues: good shit
No Masks/people getting sick: fuck! We probably shoulda tried masks.
Masks are a minor inconvenience. Most people are dual income families where both parents need to work. I need my kids in school. Much like my kids gotta wear appropriate clothes to school, I don't care if they want him to wear a mask. He doesn't care. The grown ass adults are the ones whining like children about it.
rick81721
Lothar
Except this isn't the case for all children. Some have physical problems with masks, some are suffering developmentally due to masks.
TimBay
Well-Known Member
What physical problems specifically? If their lungs can't handle a thin fabric mask how the hell you think they'll survive the virus?
Developmentally? Not sure what you mean.
rick81721
Lothar
Don't know about you but I wouldn't want to be exercising with a mask. Some kids have breathing issues without masks. Some kids who wear glasses have problems with fogging interfering with vision.
Developmentally is obvious:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.669432/full
CommandoStyle
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My neighbor teaches young children. She is vaxxed. She indicated trying to teach kids speech/pronunciation is difficult when they cannot see how her lips move/tongue placement for making certain sounds due to mask wearing. Separately, she also noted they lost a few teachers due to vax mandate.