This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

Bikeworks said:
I've not seen that, where did you?


It was studied and tracked, just not by official entities like the CDC. Or, if it was, there was no information that was shared, at least to my knowledge. As to the why, there are plenty of reasons we can throw at the wall, but I am not willing to play that game by and large.

One reason I will put forth, however, is that this stuff is hard to understand, and many HCPs will often take the easier way out and give the simplest option rather than take the time to educate. This is especially true, and somewhat expected, when you consider the urgency sensed in having to address this disease in a quick and efficient manner. Way easier for the public to understand, and the provider to say, mask/isolate/quarantine/vaccinate then it is to talk about interventions. Hell, when I came back to work in April 2020, I was often hearing from MDs/PAs/RNs who were telling me I was 'going to get it again' or that 'this was new yadda yadda', to which I could only respond with stuff about how the immune system works, resulting in (concerning) blank stares more often than not. To put that in perspective, some of these same people insisted on testing me again weeks later because my IgM and IgA antibodies were so high. I was like, "you understand that stuff but you don't get how that same stuff is protecting me bigly?"

So yea, tl;dr. Agencies want things to be simple and straightforward for the public to digest during a pandemic. Whether they get it right is another story.
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I know there were no CDC or other studies to my knowledge, funded by or run by our governemnt directly. The fact that there wasn't is exactly my point, why wasn't there. CDC and NIH emply something like 30k employees, and I believe the budget is over 40B. Then there's the trillions that were spent additionally by our gov't. So no legitimate reason why say 50,000 people (previously infected), could have been brought in for a study, either by the gov, or subcontracted, starting in the summer of 2020 or earlier. Every 2 months full workups, including antibodies , t-cells, vitimin levels, blood, everything.

We would have a good baseline and dataset to work from. And clearly a better idea of antibody duration accross the population. For something that was / is so devatating I'm at loss as to why this hasn't been done. Also, at that point in time, there wasn't a real thought that a Vaccine would be doable in short order.

Yet here we are, 1.5 years later, and we have to rely on studies out of Israel, Qatar, I believe cleveland clinic did one also, and I'm sure there are others. Indicating natural immunity is at least as good, if not multiple times better than the jab. All apparently ignored by our government.

Seems we are on the same page in concept here.
 
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rick81721 said:
Just the facts. I'm sure you can find a rural hospital somewhere in the state where it is much worse to confirm your "we're all gonna die" fears... 🙄
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He's saying the hospitals are still overworked right now, where do you come up with "we're all gonna die" fears? Hospitals are barely staffed for normal times, shit gets missed all the time. My friend's Dad was just discharged from the ER twice before his general doctor finally diagnosed his stroke and sent him back to the ER. Go volunteer in a hospital and see how tired all the staff is and ask yourself how they can possibly all be at the top of their game and provide any kind of decent care. Add to the fact that there's more mid levels than actual physicians treating people... Haha, I take it back, I agree, we're all gonna die with this healthcare system 🤣
 
HenryK said:
I know there were no CDC or other studies to my knowledge, funded by or run by our governemnt directly. The fact that there wasn't is exactly my point, why wasn't there. CDC and NIH emply something like 30k employees, and I believe the budget is over 40B. Then there's the trillions that were spent additionally by our gov't. So no legitimate reason why say 50,000 people (previously infected), could have been brought in for a study, either by the gov, or subcontracted, starting in the summer of 2020 or earlier. Every 2 months full workups, including antibodies , t-cells, vitimin levels, blood, everything.

We would have a good baseline and dataset to work from. And clearly a better idea of antibody duration accross the population. For something that was / is so devatating I'm at loss as to why this hasn't been done. Also, at that point in time, there wasn't a real thought that a Vaccine would be doable in short order.

Yet here we are, 1.5 years later, and we have to rely on studies out of Israel, Qatar, I believe cleveland clinic did one also, and I'm sure there are others. Indicating natural immunity is at least as good, if not multiple times better than the jab. All apparently ignored by our government.

Seems we are on the same page in concept here.
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As a former civil servant working in a vast bureaucracy (NYC), I would have to go with @thegock and say 'deep state', although I really hate that term and its overly conspiratorial tone. But rest unassured, that mindset and policy process is very, very real. It's also a disservice to dismiss those with concerns of organized malfeasance like that as 'conspiracy theorists' as that is exactly what it is; people conspiring to shape things they way they want, despite conscientious objections. Ramifications are not a consideration in this day and age as news cycles are short, and to a large degree, controlled. Again, I am speaking from personal experience, but decide for yourself.

Yes, there are plenty of independent studies here in the US, as well as state-sponsored studies from around the world. But see above post.

Mahnken said:
He's saying the hospitals are still overworked right now, where do you come up with "we're all gonna die" fears? Hospitals are barely staffed for normal times, shit gets missed all the time. My friend's Dad was just discharged from the ER twice before his general doctor finally diagnosed his stroke and sent him back to the ER. Go volunteer in a hospital and see how tired all the staff is and ask yourself how they can possibly all be at the top of their game and provide any kind of decent care. Add to the fact that there's more mid levels than actual physicians treating people... Haha, I take it back, I agree, we're all gonna die with this healthcare system 🤣
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Yes, we are overworked, and a breaking point is approaching. I pray that this all gets fixed, but without the clueless politicians and their appointees who set policy stepping aside (or actually talking to we, the frontliners) I have immense doubt that it will.
 
Mahnken said:
He's saying the hospitals are still overworked right now, where do you come up with "we're all gonna die" fears? Hospitals are barely staffed for normal times, shit gets missed all the time. My friend's Dad was just discharged from the ER twice before his general doctor finally diagnosed his stroke and sent him back to the ER. Go volunteer in a hospital and see how tired all the staff is and ask yourself how they can possibly all be at the top of their game and provide any kind of decent care. Add to the fact that there's more mid levels than actual physicians treating people... Haha, I take it back, I agree, we're all gonna die with this healthcare system 🤣
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It was an obvious gloom and doom post. Yes hospitals are overworked but the fact is they are nowhere close to the peaks in this pandemic, and unlike earlier waves, the majority of "covid patients" are incidental. Hospitalizations dropped almost 25% in 10 days - that's stunning and GOOD news.
 
Bikeworks said:
Yes, we are overworked, and a breaking point is approaching. I pray that this all gets fixed, but without the clueless politicians and their appointees who set policy stepping aside (or actually talking to we, the frontliners) I have immense doubt that it will.
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As long as it's treated as a business, it won't change. If you work short staffed and get through it, they don't see how exhausted you are. They see that your unit could run with less people and similar patient outcomes, so that short staffing becomes normal staffing. It's all a numbers game to the people in charge. I'm sure every staff meeting you go to is 90% numbers you need to improve upon and 10% pizza party good job, hero! Kudos cards, free beverage coins, it's nurses week come get your Beach towel horse shit. The healthcare industry is disgusting.
 
Mahnken said:
As long as it's treated as a business, it won't change. If you work short staffed and get through it, they don't see how exhausted you are. They see that your unit could run with less people and similar patient outcomes, so that short staffing becomes normal staffing. It's all a numbers game to the people in charge. I'm sure every staff meeting you go to is 90% numbers you need to improve upon and 10% pizza party good job, hero! Kudos cards, free beverage coins, it's nurses week come get your Beach towel horse shit. The healthcare industry is disgusting.
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Sounds like pretty much every other business.
 
rick81721 said:
It was an obvious gloom and doom post. Yes hospitals are overworked but the fact is they are nowhere close to the peaks in this pandemic, and unlike earlier waves, the majority of "covid patients" are incidental. Hospitalizations dropped almost 25% in 10 days - that's stunning and GOOD news.
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#'s?

Or is it 2 soon?
 
Mahnken said:
As long as it's treated as a business, it won't change. If you work short staffed and get through it, they don't see how exhausted you are. They see that your unit could run with less people and similar patient outcomes, so that short staffing becomes normal staffing. It's all a numbers game to the people in charge. I'm sure every staff meeting you go to is 90% numbers you need to improve upon and 10% pizza party good job, hero! Kudos cards, free beverage coins, it's nurses week come get your Beach towel horse shit. The healthcare industry is disgusting.
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All my meetings are Zoom and the camera stopped working around March 16, 2020. 🎤 drop
 
rick81721 said:
It was an obvious gloom and doom post. Yes hospitals are overworked but the fact is they are nowhere close to the peaks in this pandemic, and unlike earlier waves, the majority of "covid patients" are incidental. Hospitalizations dropped almost 25% in 10 days - that's stunning and GOOD news.
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Spoken like an old guy who doesn't work in a hospital. 3 of our neighbors and quite a few friends do. They don't have time to talk some days.
 
Mahnken said:
Yea. It's a shame.
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Look what happened to the VA because it was not run like a business.

I actually have a problem with insurance companies being publicly traded companies -
think about it - they pay a dividend to investors, where does it come from? Policyholders.

But that is for another thread.......
 
Patrick said:
Look what happened to the VA because it was not run like a business.
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What happened to the VA? Everyone I know who went to work for the VA is far happier than they were in the private sector. Though I did work at Ancora for a couple months and really didn't like a lot of the shortcuts the nurses took to get through the day. Part of the reason I left so fast.
 
Mahnken said:
What happened to the VA? Everyone I know who went to work for the VA is far happier than they were in the private sector. Though I did work at Ancora for a couple months and really didn't like a lot of the shortcuts the nurses took to get through the day. Part of the reason I left so fast.
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They've been in the news for a bunch of years for poor client service.
I think Trump put some money towards improvement.

www.cnbc.com

The VA's history of setbacks and missteps

The Department of Veterans Affairs has been accused of being too bureaucratic to function, and nobody can seem to lead the department for more than a few years. But the VA hasn’t always been struggling to keep up. When did things go so wrong?
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
Patrick said:
They've been in the news for a bunch of years for poor client service.
I think Trump put some money towards improvement.

www.cnbc.com

The VA's history of setbacks and missteps

The Department of Veterans Affairs has been accused of being too bureaucratic to function, and nobody can seem to lead the department for more than a few years. But the VA hasn’t always been struggling to keep up. When did things go so wrong?
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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Little close to politics, doe. One week in the box and @gtluke is back as "Staff Online."

Back to the Frozen Tundra.

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