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He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

I'm not saying he's right, but I haven't seen anything that actually refutes his actual points. Like the Atlantic article it's focused on personal attacks not his talking points.

Which does make me suspect some of what he says is true. He does come off as clean-cut and well spoken. He's also someone who has taken the the Vaccine so not a typical anti-vaxxer. So my original thought was he could be saying some truths, or some half-truths but so far haven't seen anything actually taking down what he's saying point by point.
 
I'm not saying he's right, but I haven't seen anything that actually refutes his actual points. Like the Atlantic article it's focused on personal attacks not his talking points.

Which does make me suspect some of what he says is true. He does come off as clean-cut and well spoken. He's also someone who has taken the the Vaccine so not a typical anti-vaxxer. So my original thought was he could be saying some truths, or some half-truths but so far haven't seen anything actually taking down what he's saying point by point.
Me either... just sharing what I had read about him previously.
 
Interestingly enough, I got a call today from the gubment trying to 'help' me schedule my booster shot. We are now gonna get calls from somewhere, and someone who has no idea of my medical history, to tell me what to do with my health???? Upside down world....
 
Interestingly enough, I got a call today from the gubment trying to 'help' me schedule my booster shot. We are now gonna get calls from somewhere, and someone who has no idea of my medical history, to tell me what to do with my health???? Upside down world....

Unless they force you to make an appointment and then the government police show up at your house to force you to go to that appointment, I'm not sure what the problem is. I get calls from people trying to sell me car insurance, but they don't know anything about my driving history or details of my current car insurance. I just say no thank you and hang up.
 
Malone didn’t invent these vaccines. Definitely performed some early experiments figuring out how to get mRNA into a cell, but figuring out the rest was teams of scientists. Look at what the founder of what is now Gilead put into this… years and years ago. And even Malone’s experiments were and extension of work done a decade before him.

This guy is smart but on an ego trip. He just wants the Nobel Prize money when they hand it out.

I’ll leave my opinion of Rogan out of this.
 
Interestingly enough, I got a call today from the gubment trying to 'help' me schedule my booster shot. We are now gonna get calls from somewhere, and someone who has no idea of my medical history, to tell me what to do with my health???? Upside down world....

Or perhaps an appropriate and helpful action from public health officials trying to, you know, protect public health in the midst of a pandemic that's killed ~800k Americans. Not sure how a phone call from the "gubment" trying to help you to schedule an appointment is an example of an "upside down world".

Regarding the Malone discussion, I'd gladly listen to him sit down with a scientific "equal" or even well researched reporter and discuss his concerns. There's certainly room for reasonable debate about what levels of public health measures to implement, the rates of side effects in different populations, etc but when you're going on Joe Rogan, Glen Beck, Tucker Carlson etc that's clearly not the objective.
 
I'm not saying he's right, but I haven't seen anything that actually refutes his actual points. Like the Atlantic article it's focused on personal attacks not his talking points.

Which does make me suspect some of what he says is true. He does come off as clean-cut and well spoken. He's also someone who has taken the the Vaccine so not a typical anti-vaxxer. So my original thought was he could be saying some truths, or some half-truths but so far haven't seen anything actually taking down what he's saying point by point.
Guy seems legit, but I think that he's trying to make his point with wrong people, and wrong audience (they don't get nuance). One particular point I somewhat can see being manipulated is the adverse events and adverse event reporting (AE'S). These clinical studies were conducted inside a year, so there was no way to collect any type of long-term adverse event data prior to expedited review. I also wouldn't be surprised to see disclosure of what has been collected to date manipulated in the name of public health and safety. I also suspect that there is a shit-ton of bias at this point as to what also actually gets reported from the field. We can't have people coming to the wrong conclusion on the interwebs now, can we?

As far as the vaccines themselves go, its no longer a disease of the "unvaccinated". Everyone is getting Omicron, vaccinated, boosted or not. Symptoms overall seem to be milder than the previous strains, so maybe everyone builds antibodies to the actual virus (better than the vaccine) and we can move on from this in a couple of months. Till next fall, since its an election year.
 
Malone didn’t invent these vaccines. Definitely performed some early experiments figuring out how to get mRNA into a cell, but figuring out the rest was teams of scientists. Look at what the founder of what is now Gilead put into this… years and years ago. And even Malone’s experiments were and extension of work done a decade before him.

This guy is smart but on an ego trip. He just wants the Nobel Prize money when they hand it out.

I’ll leave my opinion of Rogan out of this.
All science is based on what came before, however it seems like this guy put the idea of mRNA and lipid nano-bubbles together, which is the basis of the vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna.
 
Malone didn’t invent these vaccines. Definitely performed some early experiments figuring out how to get mRNA into a cell, but figuring out the rest was teams of scientists. Look at what the founder of what is now Gilead put into this… years and years ago. And even Malone’s experiments were and extension of work done a decade before him.

This guy is smart but on an ego trip. He just wants the Nobel Prize money when they hand it out.

I’ll leave my opinion of Rogan out of this.
I listened to the Rogan podcast with him, and he didn't really say he was the sole inventor of the mRNA vaccine or whatnot. He described it more inline with he was in the path of people that made the overall technology but he was the one that worked to do the lipid wrapping. Which is actually kind of interesting as he quietly mentioned that part of the danger isn't necessarily the spike protein circulating in the blood but the lipid particles. I can't speak to the correctness of that.

Or perhaps an appropriate and helpful action from public health officials trying to, you know, protect public health in the midst of a pandemic that's killed ~800k Americans. Not sure how a phone call from the "gubment" trying to help you to schedule an appointment is an example of an "upside down world".

Regarding the Malone discussion, I'd gladly listen to him sit down with a scientific "equal" or even well researched reporter and discuss his concerns. There's certainly room for reasonable debate about what levels of public health measures to implement, the rates of side effects in different populations, etc but when you're going on Joe Rogan, Glen Beck, Tucker Carlson etc that's clearly not the objective.
My first assumption that anyone on Glen Beck or Tucker Carlson is some weird right wing whacko. But someone who's saying anything against the trend in regard to Covid-19/vaccines isn't going to be invited onto CNN shows.

And I'd love if there was a Malone opposite that would have a Rogan podcast style discussion over this. Not a debate where people are screaming at each other, but if his points are wrong I'd like to hear it not from someone who's unbiased but sourced.

Guy seems legit, but I think that he's trying to make his point with wrong people, and wrong audience (they don't get nuance). One particular point I somewhat can see being manipulated is the adverse events and adverse event reporting (AE'S). These clinical studies were conducted inside a year, so there was no way to collect any type of long-term adverse event data prior to expedited review. I also wouldn't be surprised to see disclosure of what has been collected to date manipulated in the name of public health and safety. I also suspect that there is a shit-ton of bias at this point as to what also actually gets reported from the field. We can't have people coming to the wrong conclusion on the interwebs now, can we?

As far as the vaccines themselves go, its no longer a disease of the "unvaccinated". Everyone is getting Omicron, vaccinated, boosted or not. Symptoms overall seem to be milder than the previous strains, so maybe everyone builds antibodies to the actual virus (better than the vaccine) and we can move on from this in a couple of months. Till next fall, since its an election year.

All we've seen from the media and government is Omicron means we should distance, mask up and get boosted. But it does seem that in actuality it is much more like a cold.

Everyone I know that described symptoms of the disease when getting Omicron has it as WAY less of an issue than prior infections. Vaccinated and vaccinated.
 
All science is based on what came before, however it seems like this guy put the idea of mRNA and lipid nano-bubbles together, which is the basis of the vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna.
He didn’t come up with that delivery system from what I read. That was years later.
 
God I thought i would be the only one to say this....that movie SUCKED
You know, I appreciate a good parody when its well done, and that one wasn't.

As a change of pace, hoping the new James Bond doesn't disappoint. I'm also going to check out the Green Knight, I heard it was a bit of a mind-bender.
 
Don't assume I am some nut job antivaxxer.....I am not. but no one wants to listen to it?...thats your choice. I am not saying he is 100% right or wrong, I am just saying that all voices and data should be available to us all. When we shout down one very qualified individual because it doesn't fit the narrative is pretty damn scary.

Not telling anyone what to do at all other than listen to something that is very compelling.
I believe that everyone has a personal choice to make on what is best for themselves and their loved ones. Best way to make those choices is to be informed.

Does anyone here believe that the govt, Dr Fauci, or the pharma companies are telling us everything they know? Shit on it if you want, but at least listen to it first to draw your own conclusions.

its FREE on Spotify btw.
Never thought I'd see the day when the Left Wing would fall in love with Big Pharma.
 
You know, I appreciate a good parody when its well done, and that one wasn't.

As a change of pace, hoping the new James Bond doesn't disappoint. I'm also going to check out the Green Knight, I heard it was a bit of a mind-bender.

Without having watched "Don't Look Up", your assessment seems 100% on the money to me, which is why I haven't watched.

New James Bond was, I thought, potentially the best of the series, although it's still kind of...bad. They're all trying to walk this fine line of unbearable silliness vs standard Bond camp, and this one is a bit more serious, save for the "guy with bad skin/missing eye/other deformity = villain" stuff.
 
Here is an article from today's WSJ about masks. For my expedition to the Post Office today, I wore a KF94 with a Donna Lewis cloth mask over that. I hate double masking, but science, bitch.

There is a good table in the link to the article below regarding masking and transmission, but it predates Omicron.

The article is about 800 words, but if you won't watch "Don't Look Up," you should at least read the last three paragraphs of this article.

Omicron Masks

Why Cloth Masks Might Not Be Enough as Omicron Spreads​

With the new Covid-19 variant surging, doctors advise doubling up or trying N95 masks​

By
Clare Ansberry Follow

and

Nidhi Subbaraman Follow

Jan. 2, 2022 10:00 am ET

Doctors and healthcare systems say it might be time to change your face masks.

With infections surging due to the fast-spreading Omicron variant, including among the vaccinated, physicians are now urging people to ditch cloth face masks, which they say may not provide enough protection against the virus. Instead, they recommend pairing cloth masks with surgical models or moving on to stronger respirator masks.

The Mayo Clinic began on Thursday requiring all patients and visitors to wear surgical masks or N95 or KN95 masks. Anyone wearing a single-layer, homemade cloth mask, gaiter or bandanna, or a mask with a vent, will be provided a medical-grade mask to wear over it.

Single-layer cloth masks, which many people prefer for comfort and style, can block larger droplets carrying the virus, but aren’t as effective in blocking smaller aerosols or particles carrying the virus, according to infectious-disease specialists.

Breaking Down a KN95 Mask​

Because KN95 masks have a filter layer made of polypropylene, which is a type of plastic, they are effective at trapping small particles. The extra layer provides a higher level of protection against Covid-19 when compared to cloth or surgical masks.​

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s most recent guidance recommends that people wear masks, including cloth ones that are multilayered and tightly woven, that fit snugly and have an adjustable wire nose bridge. It also suggests layering masks, using a disposable mask underneath a cloth mask and reserving N95 masks for healthcare workers.



But many professionals in the field say certain masks are more effective than others in protecting people from the Omicron variant and that cloth masks alone aren’t.

“If you really want no exposure, you have to wear the right type of mask,” says Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. Dr. Gandhi recommends N95 masks, which are certified in the U.S., or the KN95, KF94 and FFP2 masks, which are certified in China, South Korea and Europe respectively. If those aren’t available, she recommends double masking—a multilayered cloth mask tightly on top of a surgical mask. Surgical masks are made of polypropylene, which has electrostatic charge characteristics that block the virus.

“If everyone is just wearing a cloth mask or just a surgical mask, it won’t make any difference” with this highly-transmissible variant, she says.

Others in the field say high-quality surgical masks, worn properly, offer protection, but they would also like more data and research on how they stand up against Omicron.
N95 masks, which are certified by the U.S. National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, have a denser network of fibers than surgical or cloth masks. That tighter mesh, together with an electrostatic charge in the material, generally makes such masks the most efficient at trapping larger droplets and aerosols that are exhaled by the wearer. They also better block such particles from being inhaled.

Properly fitted, certified N95 masks can filter up to 95% of particles in the air./

“Any mask is better than no mask. But cloth masks and then surgical masks are not as good as N95-caliber masks,” says Ranu Dhillon, a physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

Megan Srinivas, a clinician and infectious disease specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, says she and other family members wear KN95 masks, which have five layers of overlapping material and a tighter fit to reduce droplets from escaping or entering. She would recommend those same masks, which come in children’s sizes, to parents getting ready to send their children to school in the new year. If those aren’t available, she suggests disposable authorized surgical masks.

“We need to educate the public and say that different quality masks offer different protection,” she says.

It will take 25 hours for an infectious dose of Covid-19 to transmit between people wearing non-fit-tested N95 respirators. If they’re using tightly sealed N95s—where only 1% of particles enter the facepiece—they will have 2,500 hours of protection.​

Note: Results published in Spring 2021. The CDC expects the Omicron variant to spread more easily.

Source: ACGIH’s Pandemic Response Task Force

Graham Snyder, medical director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center , says any quality mask that offers an effective seal and is worn correctly—covering the nose and mouth—offers protection.

Dr. Snyder says he would like data from the CDC on how Omicron spreads and whether the transmission is related to the types of masks. He is concerned about the number of people in the community who don’t wear masks of any type.

“Masking works. Period,” he says.
 
so I wrote this in may of 2020
my wife has been the least stressed at work in 15 years....covid has turned her job from working on very sick and very injured people into screening people all day....when our lives go back to normal-ish...hers will go back to pre covid insanity. My wife doesnt find screening people or testing people for covid stressful....her words, not mine

Now, the hospital is busier than she has ever seen it. Especially now that kids are getting it too. Kids arent sick for the most part my wife tells me, but parents are bringing them into the ER.

She FINALLY after all this time got covid....ironically not from all of the covid patients, but from her sister being sick at christmas dinner....I mean that would have to say SOMETHING about the effectiveness of masks I would think...albeit she doesnt rely on the shitty ones we typically walk around with.
 
@UtahJoe my wife will be screening soon, as well. All elective cases cancelled. Not a bad gig, especially with proper equipment. Remember why it was so stressful last peak?? Oh yeah, the whole proper mask thing and proper PPE being non existent and being reused... at least that isn't happening now.

Keeping our institutions staffed is becoming difficult. 25-30% out, but most will be back very soon.

I really enjoy logging into MTBNJ.com and realizing how much we've collectively learned since the beginning. What isn't political, remains political.
 
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