Sunroofs that don't leak, body panels that are lined up, power steering that doesn't crap out, brakes that work, suspension that doesn't break? Realistically though, I don't care what they need since I have zero interest in ever over-paying for one.
Tesla's don't have sunroofs. Panel gaps are an issue, enough to make Carson vomit. Power steering is fine. Brakes are great and no issues with suspension. I can't speak for other EV's as I only have a Model 3.
The batteries are in a structural pack and it can be replaced. At one point I think they looked into how fast to swap out batteries and it was about 90 seconds.
Model S did come with a sunroof but the stopped offering it because....It leaked. All the other issues are known or have been part of a recall, not that other cars don't get those either. Panel gaps are ok for some but wouldn't be for me in ANY $50k plus vehicle because they point to an overall lack of attention to detail, workmanship, and poor quality control. If the parts you can see are misaligned, what about the parts you can't see?Tesla's don't have sunroofs. Panel gaps are an issue, enough to make Carson vomit. Power steering is fine. Brakes are great and no issues with suspension. I can't speak for other EV's as I only have a Model 3.
The batteries are in a structural pack and it can be replaced. At one point I think they looked into how fast to swap out batteries and it was about 90 seconds.
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My $18K Hyundai didn't have panel gaps, so I don't see how it is okay for anything other than a Yugo. I tolerate it on the Model 3, but hope they get that figured out. Tesla seems to sort out a lot of things as they go forward and don't update bodies as often as other cars.
That's interesting, as I was thinking that the evolution of long recharging times would have been replacing the entire battery in a swift move instead of plugging and wait for the recharge to complete. The batteries could then be recharged offline. That would require a standard form factor(s) for batteries.
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Well on our way to the electric revolution!looks like the battery swap require an entire interior removal on the teslas as of this point
Tesla structural battery pack is removable, but it is quite an ordeal
Tesla structural battery pack is removable and replaceable, according to new service manuals, but it is quite an ordeal.
not something you want to be doing with any frequency, but doesnt look much worse than an engine swap. . . .
EDIT: looks like reports for model s are 3-13 hours (and 12k-15k) to replace batteries (much more than a new engine in a gas/diesel vehicle)
Tesla Battery Replacement Cost Explained
How much does it cost to replace the battery in a Tesla Model S, 3, X or Y? What does parts & labor cost? Find out now!
Automated charging station for domestic use including two main battery pack capacity (one charging while the other is on the car), with a lightweight core battery that stays on the car and allows for short range mobility with the main battery pack removed, also thanks to the weight reduction of the vehicle resulting from it. You’re welcome Elon…
Really? Fix what? I don't know about other EVs, but I checked the recommended maintenance (every 10K miles) out to 100,000 miles on my Ford MME and it's rotate tires (every 10K) and replace cabin filter (every 20K). That's it. Everything else is just checks.
In the approximate 120 years of cars what major manufacturer has made any of their vehicles obsolete? There has been an undeniable improvement in reliability and reduced maintenance, so why would we predict that trend will change? Example oil changes went from 3k to 10k+ and cars today are easily pulling 200k with little to no reduced drive quality. Manufactures learned from GM’s and Hyundai’s crap vehicles in the 80/90s that customers value longevity and reputation has a marketable value. This is especially true now that car manufacturers are selling their cars twice, once leased then CPO. It’s reasonable to believe in a competitive market that if customer’s indicate they want a long lasting easy to swap battery car, at least one of the manufacturers will make it. This will happen when EV’s are out of the Lexus market and into the Toyota market. (Why Toyota pilots new tech in Lexus, b/c they don’t own their cars for long and don’t care about longevity) . And bike companies don’t make their bikes obsolete, they just make better bikes… like they’re supposed to… in which case I don’t want to repair my old one… but I could. You can get 142 hubs if you want. I have a 20 yr old bike in my basement, not a single part can’t be replaced. Some people are trying to compare to computers/phones, but that is different, they become obsolete mainly because the tasks we ask them to do are continually more rigorous… just compare a persons average data usage over the last 10years… drastically different.. but cars have been doing the same thing for the last 100years maybe just a slight increase in miles driven per year and the increased demands revolve around efficiency and safety.
They still have suspensions, and electric motors as well as electronics needed to control them are subject to wear and failure. How often do you (plural) change your phone? I’m sure quality is up there but stuff do happen.
Electric motors + 1 sp transmission has 10% of the moving parts of an ICE + transmission. And new cars have just as much electronic controls if not more.
