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Was Benny teaching at that time? I did 40 years at E&R.
Tariffs...what to make of them.
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Mahnken
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Yeah, Benny was teaching, lol, he always cracked me up. Funny guy. There were a few E&R guys in my class, can't think of their names off the top of my head. A good 20 years ago. I think I was a second year, in class, on 9/11.
Mahnken
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Yep, got a BSN, can't see ever going back for more than that though. I wouldn't say it was a bad choice, but not the best for me, in hindsight... Or maybe it was? I'm undecided. But the union has a better pay package, better pension, and I never realized the freedom that you get working out in the field until I started spending everyday in the same place with the same people. But, right now I work per diem as a nurse and basically make my own schedule. Which is extremely helpful with my family situation (wife works 60 hours a week, 2 young kids) and I'd never be able to pull off this schedule in the trades. So it probably was a better choice for me than I'm admitting, but the grass is always greener, right?
Did you read the quotes from Elon today? Jd Vance on fox calling the Chinese "peasants" ... There is no decorum anymore, that is DEAD.
I've attended Adult Night Classes at Ocean County VoTech and was favorably impressed with both the facilities and the instructors. In particular, the Marine Technician program. If anyone reading this knows a young person that likes boats, I highly recommend.
I was also involved in the construction of the Essex County VoTech in Newark, absolutely world class facility.
Our union, the UA, offers the V.I.P., program targeting servicemen at the end of their enlistment, fast tracking them into union apprenticeship.
So there are some avenues for learning the trades, but blue collar will always be looked down on.
It wasn't until I was offered an estimator's office position that I discovered building food stores, keeping food cold and addressing customer complaints wasn't the purpose of the business. The only purpose is get money out of the business and into the owners pockets.
As to the tariff question, can a poll be added to this thread asking whether you believe they have a true economic function or is it just a vehicle to manipulate the market?
I was also involved in the construction of the Essex County VoTech in Newark, absolutely world class facility.
Our union, the UA, offers the V.I.P., program targeting servicemen at the end of their enlistment, fast tracking them into union apprenticeship.
So there are some avenues for learning the trades, but blue collar will always be looked down on.
It wasn't until I was offered an estimator's office position that I discovered building food stores, keeping food cold and addressing customer complaints wasn't the purpose of the business. The only purpose is get money out of the business and into the owners pockets.
As to the tariff question, can a poll be added to this thread asking whether you believe they have a true economic function or is it just a vehicle to manipulate the market?
Ok, apply this to the above statement.
What if the "negative this" is hanging negros from trees?
What if the "negative that" is killing Jewish people?
What if "negative more stuff" is overturning Roe V. Wade?
You know, the above history isn't that far in the rearview mirror. Sometimes a group is, absolutely 100%, in the wrong.
I fully acknowledge that my response above is very heavy-handed. But you also have to understand that this is how many, many people feel right now. I just got a letter from the dean of my daughter's college informing us that "at least" 7 student visas were terminated today without the university's knowledge or input. We're barreling right down the path of making American great again. Can't wait for the internment camps.
Look for some small bike brands to simply pull out of the US market in the next week. Rumors are flying, but these will be brands with small enough footprints in the states that it is easy to walk away from the shit show.
The bigger brands that are staying are considering diverting at least a portion of incoming inventory to other markets that are less turbulent.
This is covid all over..
If you are even considering a bike purchase this year, make a move very soon. I have heard wildly different #'s being thrown around but none less than 10%... some as high as 40%.
Could be a huge boost to the used market..
The bigger brands that are staying are considering diverting at least a portion of incoming inventory to other markets that are less turbulent.
This is covid all over..
If you are even considering a bike purchase this year, make a move very soon. I have heard wildly different #'s being thrown around but none less than 10%... some as high as 40%.
Could be a huge boost to the used market..
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Ian F
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Anyone taking bets on who? Off the top of my head, Mondraker and Propain would seem likely candidates. Maybe more of a long-shot - Orbea?
It does seem like there are a lot of high-quality, mid-tier (by sales) brands that have more of a footprint outside of the US market and I'd imagine could walk back for a bit without it drastically affecting their bottom lines.
rjr44
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Did not, was super busy at work yesterday, so excuse me if I just stay on my original topic and not go off on tangents.
rjr44
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Norm, those are not traits or characteristics of people for which they can be discriminated against (i.e. race, religion, education, etc.), those are ILLEGAL actions someone might take. BIG DIFFERENCE. Casting a large group as unable to think critically because they voted differently than you puts them a step or two away from mass murder. WILD. Could that happen? Sure. Could any of another countless non-illegal or bad possibilities occur? Ummm, yeah.
Why do y'all have so much trouble just staying on topic here about what's written in black and white and stop injecting other things I never said? Honestly, if me saying it's insensitive to generalize a group as poorly educated, unable to think critically, and unable to think for anyone other than themselves is the same as supporting hanging, killing, etc. then we've gone off the rails. That someone could take that basic statement and turn it into anti-trans and then somehow elevate that to lynching, genocide, and removal of rights, what's your next level of deflection? Interesting you can't even address my original statement for what it is without these wild detours.
Is it really that hard to understand I can be for all human rights (not just trans) but against generalizing an entire group of people just because some of them are bad and do bad things? Kinda like the defund the police movement. DEFUND THE POLICE cuz there are some bad cops out of hundreds of thousands, if not millions? Most cops are good, honest, hard-working people. Believe it not, most people who voted differently than you are good, honest, hard-working people. Are there bad cops? Of course. Are there bad conservatives? Of course. Are there bad liberals? Yeah, and yet I'm not sitting here deflecting to that point.
Clearly you have some sort of bias against me here, as others seem to, just because I question certain statements people make or point out when they are spreading widely debunked narratives. Y'all take that to mean I'm MAGA and defending Trump all this stuff when I'm sitting here right in the middle, just trying to keep things civil and factual.
While people go off on wild tangents, why don't I just assume that, since Obama started the drone strike program, you support killing an "acceptable" number of innocents to get a bad guy? Oh, I know why, cuz you've never said it (that I know of) and I would never put words in someone else's mouth.
thegock
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Can you please elaborate?
I have nothing against you. So let's take it full circle and look back on your original post. You quoted ONE sentence and have now built a nearly 2000 word essay defending it. If I didn't know you, and for those scoring at home I have ridden with Rob several times, I would think you were kind of a dick with that reply. As I do know you, and have read you here plenty of times, I assume you are trying to stand in the middle and asking people to play nice. And I genuinely think that you're a nice guy. The next time I see you I will almost surely make a MAGA or a Trump joke. Unless we're meeting in a tent in a prison camp, in which case I will probably cock punch you. I digress.
The point in my replies to you have been building up what it feels like for the OP (and many people) right now. Lots of people are feeling this right now. And my man, they are a little afraid right now. And in that fear, if someone writes ONE sentence that gets quoted with no context of the person or their history, is it possible that the OP was being a little over-stated due to that fear? In all your posts since that one, did that ever occur to you to put yourself in her shoes, which is more or less precisely what you are asking her to do?
I happen to know that OP far better than I know you. And you want to know something wild? Her husband is historically a conservative. There's another person you're arguing with on this same thread right now that is also traditionally a conservatives. Both of those conservatives, as well as the OP, are probably 3 of my favorite people in the world. And sure, I'm standing on their side, defending them. This is the internet. I would do the same in real life.
I want you to try and drop the narrative that people are typifying you, or deflecting the point, and put yourself in other people's shoes. In the fear that people live in today, fear for the state of this country and their future, is it possible that one sentence actually understates the concern that people have right now? And while yes, overstated since her husband and 1 of our best friends are not what those words said, might it not hold more truth of the state of affairs than you want to admit?
My daughter is half-Asian and goes to school in a red state. Think about that. Why should I have to have a tiny inkling of concern for her safety because of this? That's fucked up. This is our America. This is why people are saying this stuff. Her classmates are being deported and I have to be worried now about hate crimes where she goes to school. So while you sit at your keyboard writing a theses based on quoting a single sentence, some of us are legitimately living that great American dream right now.
rjr44
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And I will embrace that joke fully and playfully act as MAGA as I can, all in good fun. The prison scenario, looks like I'll need to be fast and first ask you the capital of Thailand.
I think positively of you as well btw which is why I was caught a bit off guard by your responses. I don't dismiss your viewpoint or anything you said overall, I was just trying to stay on my very simple point.
I understand all that and is EAXCTLY why I stated this in my original reply: "I don’t know you, so maybe this came out harsher than you meant." Exact quote copy/paste.
Now, there was no reply to that, and she's not required to reply. Since then I've been replying to others who chimed in. And only to the ones that took my statement out of context (at least that's how it looked to me).
I don't know her, and yet my first assumption is she is not like that and did not mean it that way. I always try and assume the positive in people, not default to the negative. But I did want to comment on it because there are absolutely people in this world who think just that way. Oh, that one is awful, anyone like them is the same.
See I'm not even taking sides here (not criticizing or saying that you are btw). I'm simply asking a question. Maybe the better way to ask it is:
- Is it acceptable to broadly generalize a group w/ negative characteristics based on their worst members?
I too have friends who are staunchly on either side, and I do empathize w/ all of their viewpoints. I get along w/ all of them famously. Hence why I still firmly believe it's terrible to broadly prejudge a large group of people based on their worst.
Asking me for empathy above, but where was the empathy for my statement then? "Hey Rob, do you really support violence against minority groups?" (overly paraphrased of course cuz I have trouble being concise as it is!).
My concern is that there are people out there that think it's ok to judge groups in this way (no not the OP). So, the empathy cuts both ways. And I thought I've been clear that's been my only point the whole time. Don't generalize the masses due to the few. That's also quite frightening cuz it could happen against any of us.
This says (to me) you are painting your bias on my simple statement, considering I never went anywhere near that direction. I never suggested you shouldn't have concern. I just said it's bad to generalize, point blank. I would also say it's bad if someone made any negative generalizations against your daughter based on her appearance. I wouldn't have written a 2000-word essay if things hadn't gone off the rails from that simple statement.
It's possible for both of these to be true at the same time:
- it's bad to cast judgment on a large group of people based on their worst members
- the actions of the worst members of said group are unacceptable and cannot be tolerated and allowed to spread
Today's comment from Elon referring to Peter Navarro:
“What he says here is demonstrably false,” he wrote, before calling Navarro “Peter Retarrdo”
These are not two 11 year olds in the school yard....this is our copresident the the top economic adviser to the president of the united states.....
How are we NOT living in the movie idiocracy?
Pearl
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