Wielding Jehovah's Cyclocross Battleaxe
- Thread starter Norm
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I get it, but trying to get ahead of situation is sometimes easier than breaking op or reacting to a bad situation.
Oh I see the problem...when using the term "metric shit ton", you should really change the spelling to tonne.
I hadnt read the bikereg page before this morning, but I approve. I like to think that represents the tone of our team. I mean if you are going to get offended at the reg page, just wait until you come out and meet Luke, Iggy, Mitch, Me, you, etc...in person.
I hadnt read the bikereg page before this morning, but I approve. I like to think that represents the tone of our team. I mean if you are going to get offended at the reg page, just wait until you come out and meet Luke, Iggy, Mitch, Me, you, etc...in person.
The line could be drawn..
here
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...vice-stop-taking-selfies-with-bears/18055425/
i mean
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/selfies-are-causing-crashes-at-tour-de-france.html
who would directly and intentionally interfere with a race/racers/participants? Did we learn nothing from monica seles or nancy kerrigan?
that is moronic - getting close to cyclists is promoted on tv in the hill stages of le tour. but there is no justification for the vegas thing, as europeans have a different sense of personal space anyway. (non-sequitor)
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i 'like' or #likeNormsCopy - as anything blatantly that irreverent must be employing some literary device known as sarcasm, while showing dissatisfaction for the situation.....but moving on.
totally pissed at myself for missing this race, for not being conservative leading up to it, then kinda drinking too much the night before to even come and cheer/heckle. so in my round about way, i missed something special.
Hopefully you'll do it again next year, so i can represent the uninformed.
here
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...vice-stop-taking-selfies-with-bears/18055425/
i mean
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/selfies-are-causing-crashes-at-tour-de-france.html
who would directly and intentionally interfere with a race/racers/participants? Did we learn nothing from monica seles or nancy kerrigan?
that is moronic - getting close to cyclists is promoted on tv in the hill stages of le tour. but there is no justification for the vegas thing, as europeans have a different sense of personal space anyway. (non-sequitor)
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i 'like' or #likeNormsCopy - as anything blatantly that irreverent must be employing some literary device known as sarcasm, while showing dissatisfaction for the situation.....but moving on.
totally pissed at myself for missing this race, for not being conservative leading up to it, then kinda drinking too much the night before to even come and cheer/heckle. so in my round about way, i missed something special.
Hopefully you'll do it again next year, so i can represent the uninformed.
The Heckler
You bring new meaning to the term SUCK
On Hand Ups
It is a hard line to draw.
Food and drink:
It's in the rules that feeding is only acceptable if the temperature is above~68 degrees F and the head official approves it. Feed may only be taken from the pit. You are allowed to ride with water at any temperature and I assume that extends to solids as well.
The line: Competitive classes racing for cash or merchandise should abide by the feeding rule. People pay to race and respect should be paid to the rules as to not give any competitor an unfair advantage.
The facts: Not every rider will be competitive in any given race. It usually is the mid pack and off the back guys taking food and drink. Are they gaining anything from this to benefit their race? Maybe, yes. Is it going to make them somehow win? Probably not. But it is unfair to say “you can take feed because you’re losing.”
The Compromise: As a midpack Cat 5 I took a bottle at Nittany last year, I was told I may be DQ’d. I wasn’t. A cat 4 took a bottle at HPCX, he was DQ’d. He protested, they put him back in the results. At Marty’s I was giving out donuts in front of an official. She politely asked me not to, so I stopped.
The Bottom Line: There needs to be rules, they need to be enforced but there must also be leniency (which I think there currently is.)
Cash money, dollar dollar billz yo.
Unless you are eating money for caloric supplement the only argument I can see is that of safety. BUT The sport is already inherently dangerous and YOU make the decision to put yourself at additional risk.
(*my personal opinion is hand ups all the time for everyone. I really don't care if you want to try and drink beer while racing. Just don't get drunk and don't puke on me. A dry powdered donut has NEVER been an advantage to anyone while racing.)
It is a hard line to draw.
Food and drink:
It's in the rules that feeding is only acceptable if the temperature is above~68 degrees F and the head official approves it. Feed may only be taken from the pit. You are allowed to ride with water at any temperature and I assume that extends to solids as well.
The line: Competitive classes racing for cash or merchandise should abide by the feeding rule. People pay to race and respect should be paid to the rules as to not give any competitor an unfair advantage.
The facts: Not every rider will be competitive in any given race. It usually is the mid pack and off the back guys taking food and drink. Are they gaining anything from this to benefit their race? Maybe, yes. Is it going to make them somehow win? Probably not. But it is unfair to say “you can take feed because you’re losing.”
The Compromise: As a midpack Cat 5 I took a bottle at Nittany last year, I was told I may be DQ’d. I wasn’t. A cat 4 took a bottle at HPCX, he was DQ’d. He protested, they put him back in the results. At Marty’s I was giving out donuts in front of an official. She politely asked me not to, so I stopped.
The Bottom Line: There needs to be rules, they need to be enforced but there must also be leniency (which I think there currently is.)
Cash money, dollar dollar billz yo.
Unless you are eating money for caloric supplement the only argument I can see is that of safety. BUT The sport is already inherently dangerous and YOU make the decision to put yourself at additional risk.
(*my personal opinion is hand ups all the time for everyone. I really don't care if you want to try and drink beer while racing. Just don't get drunk and don't puke on me. A dry powdered donut has NEVER been an advantage to anyone while racing.)
Robin
Well-Known Member
hmmm...this post was interesting to read after I told you my feelings about racing UCI. And how the best times I've had racing this year were the smaller, home-grown venues. I don't want our local races to turn into checking my tires at the start, not being able to wear my fun socks, fines if my number isn't placed correctly, or getting DSQd for taking a cookie during a race.
This is supposed to be fun - I thought our bikereg post was funny. People who take this too seriously...pfff. It's not even like they are doing this for a living.
there are some people in this community who have really great things to say and provide positive support. I try to surround myself with those people. The others - I've learned to just ride away from them.
This is supposed to be fun - I thought our bikereg post was funny. People who take this too seriously...pfff. It's not even like they are doing this for a living.
there are some people in this community who have really great things to say and provide positive support. I try to surround myself with those people. The others - I've learned to just ride away from them.
Wobbegong
Well-Known Member
You'll never make everyone happy. I've said it before, Pimpin ain't easy.....
Kevin makes a good point. You did dish it out a bit on the bike reg page. I'm not saying I disapprove, but it is in the theme of what you are complaining about in your post.
If you dish, you must take.
I sound like Yoda. Retarded Yoda.
For the record, I fully support amateur cross races being full of ridiculousness. Its grown men racing bikes for fun. For fucks sake, its recreation.
Bring back Sheniqua.... Everything is more fun with her around.
Kevin makes a good point. You did dish it out a bit on the bike reg page. I'm not saying I disapprove, but it is in the theme of what you are complaining about in your post.
If you dish, you must take.
I sound like Yoda. Retarded Yoda.
For the record, I fully support amateur cross races being full of ridiculousness. Its grown men racing bikes for fun. For fucks sake, its recreation.
Bring back Sheniqua.... Everything is more fun with her around.
Robin
Well-Known Member
good question indeed sir! because there are plenty of unsanctioned mtb races...
soulchild
Well-Known Member
I agree completely with your '2%' and the recurring 'negativity' theme. It's become quite apparent that this is not going to change. From the first neanderthal who was 'clubbed' for bitching about childish cave paintings to the elitist group ride hero bitching about, well, everything.
None of us are immune to this, but when you realize that you just can't do anything about it, it's easier to do just that. I've gotten pretty good at ignoring shit but when I suffer from this affliction, I take myself off the grid (so to speak) to minimize the interactions that could consider me a '2 percenter'.
Also, you're absolutely right about Ken. He's just a great guy to be around.
None of us are immune to this, but when you realize that you just can't do anything about it, it's easier to do just that. I've gotten pretty good at ignoring shit but when I suffer from this affliction, I take myself off the grid (so to speak) to minimize the interactions that could consider me a '2 percenter'.
Also, you're absolutely right about Ken. He's just a great guy to be around.
Delish
Well-Known Member
Sounds like it's time to give racing back to the people. LETS ALL WEAR PUCE OR CELADON OR SMARAGDINE OR SOME OTHER OBSCURE COLOR AND START COLOR A REVOLUTION.
http://www.cxmagazine.com/nabra-uscx-north-american-bike-racing-association-challenges-usac
Northeast CX series under the NABRA banner?
I know I've said this before but OBRA (model for NABRA) membership/license is $25/year ($15 for cyclocross only). Admin fees are a fraction of the USAC cut which means the days of $20 races, hand-ups and unfettered fun could return.
http://www.cxmagazine.com/nabra-uscx-north-american-bike-racing-association-challenges-usac
Northeast CX series under the NABRA banner?
I know I've said this before but OBRA (model for NABRA) membership/license is $25/year ($15 for cyclocross only). Admin fees are a fraction of the USAC cut which means the days of $20 races, hand-ups and unfettered fun could return.
1speed
Incredibly profound yet fantastically flawed
You know what I blame this on the downfall of? Society.
Seriously, though, what exactly are they saying is unprofessional about that page? I wonder what that dickwad would say about something like this.
Totally agree with how you responded here, Norm -- you even managed to ignore the triviality of what they were complaining about so kudos to you for that. But let's see -- you sacrificed your own day of racing to organize, set-up, administer, MC and clean up a race for 200 people, and the response from some dude was, "Your registration site was at the level of professionalism I expect for my weekend warrior activities." Most folks would understand if you tracked that dude down and dick punched him. At the very least, you could have quoted Bricktop from "Snatch" and just replied, "Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not." But you didn't do either (that I am aware of), so kudos to you -- THAT is professionalism.
Seriously, though, what exactly are they saying is unprofessional about that page? I wonder what that dickwad would say about something like this.
Totally agree with how you responded here, Norm -- you even managed to ignore the triviality of what they were complaining about so kudos to you for that. But let's see -- you sacrificed your own day of racing to organize, set-up, administer, MC and clean up a race for 200 people, and the response from some dude was, "Your registration site was at the level of professionalism I expect for my weekend warrior activities." Most folks would understand if you tracked that dude down and dick punched him. At the very least, you could have quoted Bricktop from "Snatch" and just replied, "Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not." But you didn't do either (that I am aware of), so kudos to you -- THAT is professionalism.
The Heckler
You bring new meaning to the term SUCK
I'm all for unsanctioned racing. There is a promoter that runs two very early season CX races as well as The Quabbin road race. They draw good numbers, the atmosphere is fun and relaxed but the key point is they manage the race professionally without the help from USAC.
As a racer I see USAC as a group of umpires for hire. In fact here is a list defining USAC costs. I'm sure Norm is already familiar with this. This includes race fees and officials' fees.
http://www.usacycling.org/2014-schedule-of-fees.htm
Did they turn around that "no UCI licensed racer may race unsanctioned events" rule enforcement form last year?
That was a dumb one.
As a racer I see USAC as a group of umpires for hire. In fact here is a list defining USAC costs. I'm sure Norm is already familiar with this. This includes race fees and officials' fees.
http://www.usacycling.org/2014-schedule-of-fees.htm
Did they turn around that "no UCI licensed racer may race unsanctioned events" rule enforcement form last year?
That was a dumb one.
Thought so....
No, we have a non-USAC insurance supplier which we've used for 16 of our 18 events. We use USAC for the cross races because we have to. The coverage the non-USAC company provides is pretty much exactly the same, and just about the same price.
But that's only $3 a racer. The other $8 per racer that goes to USAC/NJBA/officials/reg is questionable and has nothing to do with insurance. It has everything to do with the machine.
But that's only $3 a racer. The other $8 per racer that goes to USAC/NJBA/officials/reg is questionable and has nothing to do with insurance. It has everything to do with the machine.
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
I should say, "we have to in order to be part of the NJBA series".
2B or !2B, is another question that I won't get into just yet.