I think right now yes. I believe those areas weren’t struck down immediately like a few others were. I am far from an authority on this though so I could be wrong.
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I think right now yes. I believe those areas weren’t struck down immediately like a few others were. I am far from an authority on this though so I could be wrong.
Johnny Utah
Well-Known Member
Right now I believe if you have a CC you are okay. No CC then no carry.
If you have an NJ CC there are a few sites that keep the current legislation up to date. You may want to look there.
its a perfectly legit question. My kids are 18 and 15 now, do I ask now? No, but I didn’t want my 5 year old to find an unlocked gun? Not quire the same as weed or vodka, no? I did expect them to answer honestly. If my kids at your house playing with your kid, it’s totally my business if you have unlocked and loaded guns laying around. Why would you not answer that question honestly?
Tim
aka sptimmy43
As I stated, I’m not looking to get rid of laws, just don’t want any more. If anything a few of the processes could be combined, as much of it is repetitive. What I mean is that to get a FOID you need digital fingerprints, references, etc. Then to get a pistol purchase permit, for example, you first need a FOID, but then as part of the pistol purchase permit application you also need digital fingerprints, references, etc. How often do one’s fingerprints change?
Things like mental health checks, NICS/background checks should absolutely be performed every time but some of the other stuff that is required over and over again is just hoops to jump through simply to make the process difficult.
I think there are some big misconceptions surrounding legal gun ownership. The biggest one being that “there aren’t any gun laws.” That just simply isn’t the case at all. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.
To those who have an opposition to the second amendment, I have a proposition. Head down to your local police department and apply for a FOID, and a pistol purchase permit, and a license to carry. Just by applying doesn’t require you to buy a gun or support guns or any of that. I think it could be beneficial to see what it really takes to get through the process.
thegock
Well-Known Member
Tragedies like this, Sandy Hook, the massive list that goes on and on and on is horrific. No question. Red flags with Sandy Hook were there, same with Buffalo, same with Uvalde. There needs to be common sense laws here. I can’t believe that Texas couldn’t get red flag laws through after Uvalde. But then again, I can. And it’s where the moderates in this discussion like myself are just completely ignored.
That said, all these BS laws that states like NJ put in have are a nuisance. They prevent nothing and ignore the violence in Camden and Newark. The laws put in place are not thought out and are there to make the process irritating, but not helpful to solve the problem either.
We need a purple solution here. Not the red “FREEDOM” BS as well as not the blue “if it looks like an AGGRESSIVE weapon ban it” BS.
Mental health in this country sucks. We all need a big therapy session. The division is depressing. There’s a problem with men we aren’t addressing. The anger, the violence and suicide rates for men are unreal. Our nation NEVER talks about it. Guns violence is a symptom of a real mental and emotional crisis for men in this country IMHO.
Frank
Wookie
I think it really boils down to education. You teach “ your” kids not to touch pots on the stove, or put thing in an electrical outlet, or take daddy’s or mommy’s pills, or to not drink from the alcohol bottle, or to stay away from strangers, avoid that big aggressive dog, or bad kids……why would you not include firearms? Proper education is key. I got my first rifle at a young age and so far no one has died from it. For the record I don’t have mine to defend myself from the government, I have them in case of a lack of government. I also enjoy target shooting at metal and paper objects. Is it dangerous? Probably about as much as taking a high horsepower vehicle way over the speed limit, driving while tipsy, using a chainsaw, table saw…..but we educate ourselves to lessen the chance of accidents. So do proper gun owners. Hell, I have a compound bow which I’m more frightened of than any firearm I own.
Tim
aka sptimmy43
Both very well said.
It is indeed very sad that the warning signs were missed on so many different occasions resulting in unthinkable tragedies. I don’t know what the solution is but a big part of me thinks we all need to be more comfortable confronting the situation when the warning signs are present. Sometimes I think people are just too affraid to offend someone nowadays and just don‘t say anything to avoid being labeled a bigot, racist, whatever. Hindsight is always 20/20.
My grandfather and father were both cops. I was exposed and educated about guns at a young age. That included developing a deep respect for the power and responsibility of guns. I was never curious because of the exposure and proper education. I also knew what a real gun looked like and was taught to get the hell out of any situation in which one was present.
I am also very much a DIYer and a tool guy. To me guns fall into the same category as cars, chainsaws, table saws, etc. They are tools. They are very powerful tools, no doubt, but they are tools. They are a great outlet as a hobby (target shooting). The can be a source of sustinance (hunting). They can even be collected and admired. They don’t have to be a source of destruction.
xmonger
Active Member
For the record, drug use and purchase of guns is a Federal felony. I think most would agree drugs and guns shouldn't be mixed.
However, this is what we get in NJ:
www.yahoo.com
However, this is what we get in NJ:
NJ cops won't be drug tested for marijuana in most cases, AG says
New Jersey cops will only be screened for marijuana if they're suspected of workplace use or hold a job or license subject to federal drug testing.
TJYeti
Knows about bikes
Lives saved by cc citizen. https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-li...shooter-targeted-more-would-be-victims-police
thegock
Well-Known Member
Yes, Faux news is always there for the gun lobby and the double digit club. However, they don't quote the statistics that indicate a legally possessed gun is more likely to be used to kill a family member than a "bad guy."
johnbryanpeters
Well-Known Member
Which is a Good Thing.For the record, drug use and purchase of guns is a Federal felony. I think most would agree drugs and guns shouldn't be mixed.
However, this is what we get in NJ:
NJ cops won't be drug tested for marijuana in most cases, AG says
New Jersey cops will only be screened for marijuana if they're suspected of workplace use or hold a job or license subject to federal drug testing.
TJYeti
Knows about bikes
Statistics are like bikinis, what they hide is more interesting than what they reveal. The msm rarely puts out news stories about a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun, but there's plenty of those incidents. The NRA posts them regularly. I'd like to know if they're tracked by government agencies. The FBI tracks crimes, not it could have been a crime but it was prevented incidents. So the particular statistic you mentioned can be applied unevenly. Let's look at a state like NJ through the statistical lens you've given; how may family members were killed by a legal gun last year. Lets say it's xx. Now how many crimes were stopped by legal cc holders? It's 0. So the statistics lean in your favor. Except that up until last month there were practically 0 cc permit holders in NJ. For your statistic to be proven true we'd have to have more data. How many family members killed in state X? How many gun owners are in that state? How many are actually cc permit holders? How may crimes were prevented by a cc holder in that state? And on and on. If the news was regularly broadcasting stories of cc holders preventing crimes, might that have a cascading effect of people wanting to participate in using their 2A rights? The msm might just have an anti gun agenda.
xmonger
Active Member
NJ Cops being allowed to go ahead with recreational drug use is a good thing?
Nvm.
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johnbryanpeters
Well-Known Member
Federal laws regarding drugs are fucked up and accomplish nothing useful.
Shouldn't use firearms stoned or drunk - that makes sense.
I don't give a shit if a cop smokes off duty. Better if they didn't, but the same applies to beer.
thegock
Well-Known Member
Pro tip: Use paragraphs for ur conspiracy theories?
Captain Brainstorm
Well-Known Member
It’s an insult to any rational person. You either trust who you’re leaving your kids with or you don’t. If you don’t know them, don’t leave your kids there. In my house, what we have/do/discuss in our house stays there. I owe no else any explanations. If anyone honestly ever asked me that question I would have told them to take their kids home.
Are you allowed to drive while high or drunk? Quick way to lose any type of privilege, no?
JPark
Well-Known Member
Decades ago it used to be much easier to have people institutionalized.
I'm not sure what made that all change, but there was probably some abuse and people being wrongly institutionalized.
Clearly the dumbest response ever. How the fuck do you trust someone you’ve never met? I‘ve had parents drop their kid off at my house and come in my house, and they were clearly looking to get the lay of the land. It didn’t bother me, why would it bother you? I guess you knew every parent that your kids went to a play date for the first time? By the way, one guy, neighbor down the street, had to go home and put all his guns away, because a bunch of us were going to his house after a parade in town. Jeez, you seem very angry. I’ll leave it at that.