Biggest crash in stock market history?

You're right on the mortgage thought though. Seriously, why does anyone mortgage more than 25% of their income?

because income typically goes up, home values go up, and a conventional loan stays flat.
Throw in a hefty itemized deduction, and the government is paying 20-30% of your mortgage (not as tru now with the std deduction increase)

The 2008 crisis issue was the 1/1 adj rate mortgage at 4% below the index, so after two years the 4% they qualified for can't possibly support the 8%
it flexed to - the bank was betting on getting the house and flipping it for the gain. Problem was that it was a ponzi scheme based on mortgage insurance.
a failure of the legal system to prevent banks (and the lenders making huge commissions) from preying on consumers who didn't understand what they were buying.

They bailed out the insurance companies because everyone's pension fund/annuity would have collapsed. So ultimately they saved the people that worked hard,
had a pension, and lived in their homes that they earned. Not the people that purchased a home they couldn't afford - even if they were taken advantage of.
it may have seemed devastating to some 20somethings to have to declare bankruptcy, and go through that. But they had time to recover.
Grandma didn't need to become a destitute ward of the state for her last few years.
 
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Tough to say, leverage is great until it isn't. @UtahJoe , is your house big enough? I was in a shitty situation. Originally we didn't want kids and a 2 br 796 sq ft house was fine...3 kids and COVID later it was not. The problem was not getting raped on a bigger house, as there was a gap between first time homes and $800k homes. Really no inventory. We sort of lucked out in Md but it was stressful at times.
You're right on the mortgage thought though. Seriously, why does anyone mortgage more than 25% of their income?
My house is big enough, but for the most part, I dislike it, its location, etc. But not enough to go out and get murdered with the currently market for houses. I like the fact that if either my wife or I lost our jobs, id be ok in my current situation.

I lived flat broke for long enough to appreciate living within my means and the overall effect it has on my mental state.
 
My house is big enough, but for the most part, I dislike it, its location, etc. But not enough to go out and get murdered with the currently market for houses. I like the fact that if either my wife or I lost our jobs, id be ok in my current situation.

I lived flat broke for long enough to appreciate living within my means and the overall effect it has on my mental state.
With you here. Would it be nice to have a bigger/nicer house for us? Definitely. But I’ve replaced the roof, upgraded the electric, replaced the HVAC, replaced the water heater… the bones are good now and no need to trade the problems I’m aware of with a whole set of other ones. Our location is pretty nice tho. Just wouldn’t mind more elbow room. In the long run I’m good for now all things considered. I could be in a cold water flat in Harlem (where I used to live back in the day). I’ll take this over that every day.
 
With you here. Would it be nice to have a bigger/nicer house for us? Definitely. But I’ve replaced the roof, upgraded the electric, replaced the HVAC, replaced the water heater… the bones are good now and no need to trade the problems I’m aware of with a whole set of other ones. Our location is pretty nice tho. Just wouldn’t mind more elbow room. In the long run I’m good for now all things considered. I could be in a cold water flat in Harlem (where I used to live back in the day). I’ll take this over that every day.

The kids will move out... eventually!
 
With you here. Would it be nice to have a bigger/nicer house for us? Definitely. But I’ve replaced the roof, upgraded the electric, replaced the HVAC, replaced the water heater… the bones are good now and no need to trade the problems I’m aware of with a whole set of other ones. Our location is pretty nice tho. Just wouldn’t mind more elbow room. In the long run I’m good for now all things considered. I could be in a cold water flat in Harlem (where I used to live back in the day). I’ll take this over that every day.
Got the opposite here. Bought in 98 and haven’t had to replace much. It’s a ticking time bomb. We need to flea before it explodes.
 
My house is big enough, but for the most part, I dislike it, its location, etc. But not enough to go out and get murdered with the currently market for houses. I like the fact that if either my wife or I lost our jobs, id be ok in my current situation.

I lived flat broke for long enough to appreciate living within my means and the overall effect it has on my mental state.
My wife doesn't work so it can only get better when she starts again 😀
 
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I would normally stay away from this conversation but DT's work played a role in the headlines we are seeing. Part of Putin's calculus was a US with hollowed out State Department and ...I can keep going, but this actually not the point. DT was and is an opportunist seizing his "base" as a way of hijacking the Republican party and eroding its principles and values of conservatism and replacing them with misogyny, deceipt, and disregard for the fragility of democracy. If you have read your history, you know where this can go. The Atlantic won't always be a nice barrier shielding us from madness of totalitarian states. We are now seeing totalitarianism incubated here via flagrant prevention of access to voting and the questioning of its results through disinformation about the voting process. One can blame the Republicans for being spineless but I place blame firstly with the individuals who comprise this "base". What do you see when you look in the mirror? Enjoy your ride today.
 
Perhaps FB is a better place to post political memes and opinions?

Or @Norm can fire up the xfer-to-the-heap button?

Hmm, in this case I will nominally allow it. I don't have a problem with the post, per se. I don't like the tenor of the attack on DT specifically. I don't think that's fair. As for political slant, I've gotten several complaints/questions about @rick81721 and his signature, and while I do not agree with turning this forum into a political battleground/pissing match, I don't really think it's worth the hoopla of making it an issue. That said, my posting this makes it an issue. I know that. I'm not an idiot.

I reserve the right to change my mind, heap whatever I deem necessary, temporarily ban people, edit signatures, and so on.

LONG LIVE THE MTBNJ DICTATORSHIP!

Of course, @Patrick could change my username to Balls of Jello if he so desires. Let's call it a bit if a lazy dictatorship. Elmo Shrug.
 
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I would normally stay away from this conversation but DT's work played a role in the headlines we are seeing. Part of Putin's calculus was a US with hollowed out State Department and ...I can keep going, but this actually not the point. DT was and is an opportunist seizing his "base" as a way of hijacking the Republican party and eroding its principles and values of conservatism and replacing them with misogyny, deceipt, and disregard for the fragility of democracy. If you have read your history, you know where this can go. The Atlantic won't always be a nice barrier shielding us from madness of totalitarian states. We are now seeing totalitarianism incubated here via flagrant prevention of access to voting and the questioning of its results through disinformation about the voting process. One can blame the Republicans for being spineless but I place blame firstly with the individuals who comprise this "base". What do you see when you look in the mirror? Enjoy your ride today.

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I see the left is still well entrenched in the bizarro world. Your views are exactly 180 degrees from the truth. Blaming Trump for the Ukraine is beyond laughable - have you forgotten Putin took the Crimea when Obama was president? Was that Trump's fault too? The reality is Putin was not afraid of Obama and has zero fear or respect for the global joke that is Biden. Obama nailed it about Biden: "Never underestimate Joe's ability to f&ck things up." And that is exactly what he has done - on virtually every issue.
 
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