Biscotti Madness
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The problem with the Garmin is that it doesn't take rider weight into account, where fitday/LoseIt both do. I also find the fitday/loseIt algorithm is better if you go with the effort level, as opposed to average speed. I use the HRM now to calculate calories burned. Incidentally, the 705 does not use average HR to calculate calories burned? That's...troubling.
LoseIt also has this flaw. If your base calorie number is 2000, and you ride for 3 hours, it does not adjust the 2000, even though you've just shortened your "resting" day by 3 hours. You're essentially double counting the 3 hours you ride. I subtract 100 calories per hour I exercise to get a more accurate number.
BiknBen
Well-Known Member
I was a long-time user of Fitday and highly recommend it. FWIW, I recommended it to a nutritionist and now she recommends it to her patients. 😉
The library of foods to choose from is among the most thorough on the interweb. In addition, you can create your own and it stores them for future use. I made a point of creating a custom food for anything I ate that had a nutrition label on it. Although the library had a dozen types of "sliced bread", I knew mine was more accurate because I entered it based on the package's nutrition label. Then I would continue to purchase the same products at the grocery store to makes things easier as I continued. I had hundreds of custom foods.
I weighed and calculated every morsel that went in my mouth for nearly a year. I developed a pretty good case of OCD. I eventually stopped because I had gained the knowledge needed to continue without having to track everything. (and my physician was recommending a shrink) Now, I can look at my plate and give a close estimate of the calories I will consume.
Eating out can make this a real pain in the ass. A restaurant chef throws all kinds of extras into the recipe that turn many meals into a nutritional disaster. Now that I know what is going on, I really don't enjoy eating out as much. Then again, I'm much lighter than I used to be so it is for the better.
correct. not heavily though. my wife took care o' that one.
google it.
i think i directed you to this, no?
anyway, i use this too. i downloaded it for my wife (who, incidently, spend money on weight watchers and finds this app better) and really like it. i've never been a calorie counter guy but man does it add up quick. my daily is around 1600 calories to get to my goal. i also noticed that the math between LoseIt! and garmin was pretty similar. off by only a fraction of calories. i try to over estimate the numbers that i plug in anyway. i figure over-delivery in this area is a good thing.
I was crazy like this for a while as well. I had a ton of custom foods and I even went so far as to track every single vitamin/mineral that was available to track. I backed off that quite a while ago because it was a massive burden to say the least, especially when I would be Googling vitamin D at the end of the day or trying to figure out what foods are selenium rich. I scrapped almost all of my custom foods and went with foods that get the calories close enough. There was a time when 10 calories wasn't close enough.
The 1 thing I didn't like over time about fitday.com is that it seems to have been written once and it's done. There have been no additional foods added to it, at least that I can tell. The Lose It app is an iPhone App so hopefully it doesn't befall that same fate. I was still annoyed that it didn't have a Clif bar. WTF is up with that?
But that's only half the equation. If you don't have a good working model of the calories you burn, it's useless. You can find calculators that will say the same 3 hour ride is 1500-3000 calories, which is far too much of a window to be useful. So you really need to be accurate with the calories eaten to refine your model. Your model should always be in a feedback loop to get as accurate as you need.
Jake - yes, you did point that out to me. It's extremely convenient and much faster than having to use the fitday website.
i couldn't remember if it was you. oh, wait, it was over email. that's why it was a disconnect.
i'm logging things in right now. this may not be perfect but it's close enough for me and it's forcing me, for the first time in my life, to consider what i'm eating. seeing the work of the two hours on the bike melt away b/c i wanted to eat ice cream is sobering when you see it in print.
i'm logging things in right now. this may not be perfect but it's close enough for me and it's forcing me, for the first time in my life, to consider what i'm eating. seeing the work of the two hours on the bike melt away b/c i wanted to eat ice cream is sobering when you see it in print.
Ah, ice cream. I still go Soup Nazi with ice cream. I get out the measuring cups for that. I also find that mid-day ice cream translates to crappier eating the rest of the day.
There was a time when I logged my coffee and tea, even though I drink them both without any cream/sugar.
I also now take Sundays off. I just wing it. That's pretty much the only day I drink beer, incidentally 😱
as long as i'm under, beer is in the equation. i'm eating MUCH less than i have over the past several months so we'll see. monday - friday usually aren't a challenge. it's those damn friday nights that bleed into sunday mornings that get me.
The calories go by sooo fast when you add beer though. Then I eat like shit after that. Who wants an apple when you can have pizza?
Fogerson
Former Resident Nerd
These guys are on fire:
June 27, 2009
08:56
Sydney - Australia
Processed at Sydney - Australia
June 27, 2009
10:33
Sydney - Australia
Processed at Sydney - Australia
June 27, 2009
10:59
Sydney - Australia
Departed from DHL facility in Sydney - Australia
They like processing apparently. If this thing is actually on a plane soon, it may actually make the 2 day cutoff. That would be impressive.
June 27, 2009
08:56
Sydney - Australia
Processed at Sydney - Australia
June 27, 2009
10:33
Sydney - Australia
Processed at Sydney - Australia
June 27, 2009
10:59
Sydney - Australia
Departed from DHL facility in Sydney - Australia
They like processing apparently. If this thing is actually on a plane soon, it may actually make the 2 day cutoff. That would be impressive.
BiknBen
Well-Known Member
ArmyOfNone
Well-Known Member
How much is it again?
$372 in theory. So far I paid $1.03 for it. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.
I did not ride my bike today. Hell of a day to skip 🙄 But work got the best of me. Being on-call ain't always roses.
We went to the diner for lunch. This is how I eat out when I don't want to blow out the calorie budget. I got a grilled chicken sandwich, no cheese. I eat half the bun, and put the tomato and lettuce on top as the other "bun", so the chicken is in the middle. The lettuce is virtually no nutrition but it does fill you up.
It came with french fries, but I gave them to my wife after eating 5. She had hash browns and I had 2 fork fulls, but nothing substantial. I also finished her half scrambled egg she did not want, which wasn't very greasy. There was other food on the table but eggs are filling and reasonably nutritious, the rye toast with butter, french fries, and hash browns are not the things to be "cleaning up" when you eat out.
I think I estimated lunch at 450 calories when all was said and done. I then mowed the lawn which Lose It tells me burned about 500 calories. I'm now sitting on an 1100 calorie deficit for the day. I'll likely have a big bowl of Trader Joes fiber cereal with soy milk before bed, which will put me at maybe 800 down. In general I aim for -700 on days when I count, M-F and sometimes Sat.
Eating out is massively calorie dense. As I said to my wife, the rye toast with butter surely had more calories than the entire chicken sandwich I had. Many people will eat the toast as an "add on" to the meal, as a side to a 3 egg omelet with cheese/meat and hash browns.
My stated goal in this is to see 169 on the scale. I'm reasonably confident I can do it this year.
We went to the diner for lunch. This is how I eat out when I don't want to blow out the calorie budget. I got a grilled chicken sandwich, no cheese. I eat half the bun, and put the tomato and lettuce on top as the other "bun", so the chicken is in the middle. The lettuce is virtually no nutrition but it does fill you up.
It came with french fries, but I gave them to my wife after eating 5. She had hash browns and I had 2 fork fulls, but nothing substantial. I also finished her half scrambled egg she did not want, which wasn't very greasy. There was other food on the table but eggs are filling and reasonably nutritious, the rye toast with butter, french fries, and hash browns are not the things to be "cleaning up" when you eat out.
I think I estimated lunch at 450 calories when all was said and done. I then mowed the lawn which Lose It tells me burned about 500 calories. I'm now sitting on an 1100 calorie deficit for the day. I'll likely have a big bowl of Trader Joes fiber cereal with soy milk before bed, which will put me at maybe 800 down. In general I aim for -700 on days when I count, M-F and sometimes Sat.
Eating out is massively calorie dense. As I said to my wife, the rye toast with butter surely had more calories than the entire chicken sandwich I had. Many people will eat the toast as an "add on" to the meal, as a side to a 3 egg omelet with cheese/meat and hash browns.
My stated goal in this is to see 169 on the scale. I'm reasonably confident I can do it this year.