Possibly relocating. Looking for opinions.

Santapez said:
No person chimed in with "why would you leave? NJ is the best place in the world. We have the shore, the bagels, the pizza and Taylor ham, egg and cheese, you can't get those elsewhere. And the people around you aren't assholes, they are just tough and will always be there for you."?

I thought that was a common standard response.
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Forgot highest point on the Eastern Seaboard.
 
mfennell said:
I love it. There, i said it! I almost never encounter assholes. Maybe I'm the asshole? No NY refugees in my neighborhood though, AFAIK.
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I am not going to dictate what you love about the state but let’s be clear. There is a lot of shitholes around(roads, ghettos, industrial areas etc. The state is 95% developed. If we take away the negatives then the ocean, the bays, the rives, parks, hills, flats, mountains and overall diversity is great. I love eating dinner at bayshore waterfront park with our feet in the water on a weekday. I love the punchy climbs. The traffic sucks. The restaurants on the water used to be great to hit up during the week. Now we can’t get a seat under an hour any day of the week. Despite your neighborhood not having NYC relocated fockers(I am sure there are plenty you haven’t seen yet) out area is flooded with them and it’s not stopping anytime soon. Wait til that townhouse development by target and the one on chapel hill open up. I bet your opinion changes.

I am generally a happy person as I am usually content. But I have been other places that suck much less. Look at flemington(I lived there for 2 years). Everyone is work work work. I never saw families walking through the neighborhoods. Gotta make that money! Life is more than money and I have enough saved that I am frustrated that I don’t know where to buy at the moment. It’s just making more money sitting in an account.

Not to single you out Mike but for you the pandemic was like the lottery as far as work, cycling, assuming your retirement funds too. I’m curious to see what the reaction would be if everyone needed to go back to work…
 
Dave - I hope you can find what you're looking for, but I can't imagine it being easy or quickly accomplished.

I live in a bubble - worked every day thru Covid, no commute to speak of, no traffic to deal with, no NYC re-loco's & plenty of property to isolate us anyway, parks and River only a few miles away, restaurants if we want (usually don't), and 1.5hrs from our Bay destination. Now about those property taxes...I'm toying with investments that would solely generate that annual burden.
 
Santapez said:
No person chimed in with "why would you leave? NJ is the best place in the world. We have the shore, the bagels, the pizza and Taylor ham, egg and cheese, you can't get those elsewhere. And the people around you aren't assholes, they are just tough and will always be there for you."?

I thought that was a common standard response.
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I know this may be a little tongue in cheek, but it’s true. I live in Motown and it’s great. Tons of different places to eat, I can ride to Lewis morris or the trails over by central park. you just don’t get better food than northern NJ. we have the beach. You have Newark airport, or lga or jfk, and you can get anywhere from there pretty quick and usually non stop. NYC(if that’s your thing), and while traffic sucks, it sucks everywhere. If you live some place with no traffic, there is probably not a lot of great stuff around. On most of my road rides, people are pretty good about giving you space. Of course, there are plenty of assholes, but assholes are everywhere, no?
 
Dave Taylor said:
I am generally a happy person as I am usually content. But I have been other places that suck much less. Look at flemington(I lived there for 2 years). Everyone is work work work. I never saw families walking through the neighborhoods. Gotta make that money! Life is more than money and I have enough saved that I am frustrated that I don’t know where to buy at the moment. It’s just making more money sitting in an account.
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In general, places you visit often seem to suck much less because:
you don't live there and see the same stuff everyday
you probably aren't working while you are there
 
Dave Taylor said:
Oh, and USAC Marathon nats being at Gambrill Park this year kinda makes me like MD even more.
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Wow, this shocked me. I would have never guessed USAC MN would have found that park. Super fun and techy; been a few years since I was out that way. Wonder if much has changed in terms of the trail system.
 
roc said:
I know this may be a little tongue in cheek, but it’s true. I live in Motown and it’s great. Tons of different places to eat, I can ride to Lewis morris or the trails over by central park. you just don’t get better food than northern NJ. we have the beach. You have Newark airport, or lga or jfk, and you can get anywhere from there pretty quick and usually non stop. NYC(if that’s your thing), and while traffic sucks, it sucks everywhere. If you live some place with no traffic, there is probably not a lot of great stuff around. On most of my road rides, people are pretty good about giving you space. Of course, there are plenty of assholes, but assholes are everywhere, no?
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I said it jokingly because people throw it out there.

I live in Morristown and don't want to sound negative...
  • I'd say the food in Morristown is mostly meh. Our casual food choices are minimal and the wait times are horrible. It can take an hour to get a burrito at Tito's. Great for being in your 20s and going out to a bar. Find me a burger that costs less than $15 and doesn't require a waiter/waitress.
  • I can ride to Lewis Morris. I get in the car and drive to better parks.
  • LGA or JFK is about as good of an option as ATL. There's two moats in between us and those two airports. The fact that LGA and JFK steals flights from EWR makes things harder for us.
  • NYC is great. But it's really only accessible on a Sunday without major stress. And you empty your wallet just on the travel expenses.
  • I stopped riding road because I don't want to die from all the texting drivers. That being said, road riding west of Morristown is generally great and a huge surprised to most people. I was saying yesterday actually it'll probably stay that way because it's all generational money on their "farms".
  • Our food is great in Northern NJ. If you like a wide choice in Italian restaurants. It's gotten better. Up until recently we didn't have good Mexican anywhere around here. 1 good Vietnamese restaurant in Parsippany within a half hour since the one in Florham Park closed. Can I even find Soup Dumplings between here and Fort Lee? It's a half hour for a good Jewish Deli. We have a total lack of great smaller restaurants that are creative which many other states have. For whatever reason NJ seems to hate breakfast/brunch food unless you count breakfast sandwiches at Delis or shitty diners. From Morristown, what's the closest diner that doesn't suck? We're finally getting BBQ options which basically didn't even exist here 10 years ago. And up until Covid, restaurants typically did not want to do outdoor seating, probably due to the cost of real estate.
 
Santapez said:
I said it jokingly because people throw it out there.

I live in Morristown and don't want to sound negative...
  • I'd say the food in Morristown is mostly meh. Our casual food choices are minimal and the wait times are horrible. It can take an hour to get a burrito at Tito's. Great for being in your 20s and going out to a bar. Find me a burger that costs less than $15 and doesn't require a waiter/waitress.
  • I can ride to Lewis Morris. I get in the car and drive to better parks.
  • LGA or JFK is about as good of an option as ATL. There's two moats in between us and those two airports. The fact that LGA and JFK steals flights from EWR makes things harder for us.
  • NYC is great. But it's really only accessible on a Sunday without major stress. And you empty your wallet just on the travel expenses.
  • I stopped riding road because I don't want to die from all the texting drivers. That being said, road riding west of Morristown is generally great and a huge surprised to most people. I was saying yesterday actually it'll probably stay that way because it's all generational money on their "farms".
  • Our food is great in Northern NJ. If you like a wide choice in Italian restaurants. It's gotten better. Up until recently we didn't have good Mexican anywhere around here. 1 good Vietnamese restaurant in Parsippany within a half hour since the one in Florham Park closed. Can I even find Soup Dumplings between here and Fort Lee? It's a half hour for a good Jewish Deli. We have a total lack of great smaller restaurants that are creative which many other states have. For whatever reason NJ seems to hate breakfast/brunch food unless you count breakfast sandwiches at Delis or shitty diners. From Morristown, what's the closest diner that doesn't suck? We're finally getting BBQ options which basically didn't even exist here 10 years ago. And up until Covid, restaurants typically did not want to do outdoor seating, probably due to the cost of real estate.
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I don't disagree, but complaining about having to drive 30 whole minutes to an incredible authentic restaurant of a different country's cuisine is absolutely hilarious to me. Move to bumfuck, GA and you'll be lucky if you have a single diner within 30 minutes of your house.

Spoiled is the word that comes to mind.
 
Dave Taylor said:
I am not going to dictate what you love about the state but let’s be clear. There is a lot of shitholes around(roads, ghettos, industrial areas etc.
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Yeah, but I don't go to those places. 🙂.
Dave Taylor said:
Not to single you out Mike but for you the pandemic was like the lottery as far as work, cycling, assuming your retirement funds too. I’m curious to see what the reaction would be if everyone needed to go back to work…
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Not denying any of that Dave but I've lived in this area for 27 years (jesus!) and I worked in Eatontown (on the same road as DanG and DonR) and West Long Branch for most of that time. Before COVID, I was riding in Colts Neck or rolling down Ocean Avenue during my lunch hour. It IS better now but it wasn't awful before by any stretch.
 
Santapez said:
I said it jokingly because people throw it out there.

I live in Morristown and don't want to sound negative...
  • I'd say the food in Morristown is mostly meh. Our casual food choices are minimal and the wait times are horrible. It can take an hour to get a burrito at Tito's. Great for being in your 20s and going out to a bar. Find me a burger that costs less than $15 and doesn't require a waiter/waitress.
  • I can ride to Lewis Morris. I get in the car and drive to better parks.
  • LGA or JFK is about as good of an option as ATL. There's two moats in between us and those two airports. The fact that LGA and JFK steals flights from EWR makes things harder for us.
  • NYC is great. But it's really only accessible on a Sunday without major stress. And you empty your wallet just on the travel expenses.
  • I stopped riding road because I don't want to die from all the texting drivers. That being said, road riding west of Morristown is generally great and a huge surprised to most people. I was saying yesterday actually it'll probably stay that way because it's all generational money on their "farms".
  • Our food is great in Northern NJ. If you like a wide choice in Italian restaurants. It's gotten better. Up until recently we didn't have good Mexican anywhere around here. 1 good Vietnamese restaurant in Parsippany within a half hour since the one in Florham Park closed. Can I even find Soup Dumplings between here and Fort Lee? It's a half hour for a good Jewish Deli. We have a total lack of great smaller restaurants that are creative which many other states have. For whatever reason NJ seems to hate breakfast/brunch food unless you count breakfast sandwiches at Delis or shitty diners. From Morristown, what's the closest diner that doesn't suck? We're finally getting BBQ options which basically didn't even exist here 10 years ago. And up until Covid, restaurants typically did not want to do outdoor seating, probably due to the cost of real estate.
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Then there's Raul's in Morristown, sometimes I'll ride lewmo just to get that on the way home.
I do feel that once living in the same area long enough all the food becomes kind of meh. In springfield we have our one spot for each cuisine but everything is getting so pricey, eat in or take out, that I prefer to prepare ahead of time and make my own.
 
Good ol Shark River Hills. Wife realtor. Ride your bike to Allaire. 3 miles to beach. 3 miles west to horse country and endless road riding. Yes, great time to sell as long as you're going to accept suck time to buy. Our house is a very, very, very fine house....

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cassinonorth said:
I don't disagree, but complaining about having to drive 30 whole minutes to an incredible authentic restaurant of a different country's cuisine is absolutely hilarious to me. Move to bumfuck, GA and you'll be lucky if you have a single diner within 30 minutes of your house.

Spoiled is the word that comes to mind.
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Hah. My friend used to be the webmaster at Speedgoat in Laughlintown, PA. Riding was awesome but it was the sticks. "Hey, why don't we get <random ethnic food> for dinner?" "F*ck you".
 
cassinonorth said:
I don't disagree, but complaining about having to drive 30 whole minutes to an incredible authentic restaurant of a different country's cuisine is absolutely hilarious to me. Move to bumfuck, GA and you'll be lucky if you have a single diner within 30 minutes of your house.

Spoiled is the word that comes to mind.
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We live in a highly populated area, so it's not really unexpected. Long Island isn't too dissimilar and their food choices are 100X better, that's why I find it strange. Then again I guess it's relative. In their traffic that's worse than ours, 30 minutes is the same town...

My complaint isn't really that it's 30 minutes to an incredible restaurant. It's that it's 30 minutes to a meh restaurant. Until Las Layendes opened up in Boonton/Parsippany, we seriously are completely lacking in decent Mexican food around here. Morris County is a wasteland of Mexican. Which is odd as most parts of the country tend to have a bunch of random family owned Mexican restaurants that are good.
 
Santapez said:
We live in a highly populated area, so it's not really unexpected. Long Island isn't too dissimilar and their food choices are 100X better, that's why I find it strange. Then again I guess it's relative. In their traffic that's worse than ours, 30 minutes is the same town...

My complaint isn't really that it's 30 minutes to an incredible restaurant. It's that it's 30 minutes to a meh restaurant. Until Las Layendes opened up in Boonton/Parsippany, we seriously are completely lacking in decent Mexican food around here. Morris County is a wasteland of Mexican. Which is odd as most parts of the country tend to have a bunch of random family owned Mexican restaurants that are good.
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Don Jose on rt 10 in East Hanover? I think their Mexican is really good. Also right next door to Penang, a great Thai/Malaysian fusion restaurant.
 
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