As someone who oddly works in cybersecurity, take your fear and multiply it by 10x. It's not just a money issue, a lot of it is ignorance.
Tariffs...what to make of them.
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As someone who oddly works in cybersecurity, take your fear and multiply it by 10x. It's not just a money issue, a lot of it is ignorance.
The republican platform was based on division, not unification. I've never seen this before. A president that openly wants to exclude.
I agree that he was fairly elected, and didn't have a qualified opponent. I'm an independent, and vote for those who speak for me, or against those that don't.
The republican party is still dividing, with elimination of programs that protect marginalized citizens. Or legal residents that don't agree with in-power policy. The very thing we cherish is the right to disagree.
I believe everyone should vote in their own interest. I don't think it's a recruit the lemmings. What I don't understand is how an Uber rich person connects with the people he steps on to get elected? Then brings in other Uber rich people to make policy for the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd by appealing to their fear(?) of the marginalized community.
Cut the contracts with Raytheon or Boeing if you really want to save money...
rjr44
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I’m struggling to connect any of this to what I said?
What are you suggesting that I am saying is ok (akin to grandma smoking analogy)? What I said is that it’s pretty darned offensive to say the problem is all the poorly educated Trump supporters who only think of themselves with the imp'ication they’re not worthy to vote cuz they’re too dumb, to generalize and demonize a group like that.
And where did the hate of trans folks come in? What in the world did I say that you determined I don’t know the level of hate towards them? How in anything I said is my stance that I’m for this?
rjr44
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You do realize this same exact argument is made by hard core conservatives about liberals? Manipulation, propaganda, outrage, etc? Cuz liberal news isn’t constantly outraged at Trump? Only Fox News goes overboard against liberals?
But lemme guess, the liberals are correct and the conservatives are wrong?
olegbabich
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Jerry Garcia said that voting is the process of -"Constantly choosing the lesser of 2 evils, is still evil."
The Political System has been broken from the beginning of time, but I think in America they figured something out that works better than average.
I understand that without Clintons there might be no Trump. Clintons are less evil than Trump.
I never liked Biden, since Anita Hill hearings and without Biden and Kamala Harris there would be no Trump 2.0. - Trump is still more evil.
Nancy Pelosi and her husband are the best investors in all of the House of Representatives - still less evil than Trump
Getting into Politics is like getting into with a Sith Lord - Evil.
Government is here to screw us all, but Trump and his Crew are not using lube or saying "Thank You" while doing it.
His Character Flaws and people who overlook them, I can not support. Trump is a Narcissist of the worst kind and his need for revenge, because he lacks Self Worth is dangerous.
My arms are still sore from holding up a "Ikea has Better Cabinets" sign in Trenton last Saturday.
Humans are a very flawed beings and as History teaches can be very Evil.
Me, you, everybody else, animals, rocks, water and plants are all the same. We came from Stardust and to Stardust we will return - to be reborn in a couple of Trillions of years.
Thank you and Ride Safe.
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Here is the funny thing - what we see when we read on our news feed is what we want to see - the algorithm assures it.
I know my feed is filled with anti trump, more because i'm liberal with marginalized people - esp the young - which means all the trans in sports stuff.
So I'll pick a topic - which is the trend now???
we've been dealing with trans women in sports for years - we've dealt with it in the h2h series. we've dealt with it in the national championship, and worlds - yes, right here in NJ.
can you believe it? We had an athlete attempt to explain it, right here on mtbnj. That was pretty fucking brave. do I think a fully developed male doping to eliminate muscle should be allowed in a field of athletes trying the gain muscle? (Edit: that is from the sports view, please don't confuse this for proper pharmaceutical and psychological Rxs to support their gender identity) now that i've posed it in that frame - you know where I stand. That doesn't mean if the muscle was never developed it isn't a fair field? Do I think that athlete needs a place to compete - absolutely yes.
Yet, t is so much more complicated than yes/no. How do we get that athlete to compete in a field of peers? I like some of the current cycling rules - compete in your class by speed, no pro championship racing.
Now the important part
Is this really the issue? or is it the kids in middle and high school that don't understand what they are feeling,
that have nobody to turn to,
maybe they have the whole community against who they are?
IMHO, a reasonable person can not say "they" are not having a true feeling, every thread of their persona, believing "they" are in the wrong body.
Perhaps it is a failure of society that forces you to play the role of the junk between your legs? or is it really body dysmorphia (it isn't always about the junk)
The suicide rate is high, and is probably understated cause of the parents that won't recognize it.
Kids don't catch gay. they may go through life meeting their parents/community expectations tho.
and this is the why...keep thinking, finish your thought.
oh, sure, for some it is fluid - am I, am I not - totally different animal.
my in-laws, and step family are from the midwest - kinda funny how the ones with the marginalized kids have such a different perspective.
and by marginalized, I mean the one that went in the air force, and did front line work building airstrips in warzones, then was outed and had to leave the job he loved.
Or the niece that is just a little tougher than they like in michigan.
Ya don't like seeing guys kissing on TV, don't watch the show - cause it happens every day in reality.
deny it or not.
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ya know half of fhe people are below the median intelligence - I would never marginalize any of them.
Everyone should be given the opportunity to be the best they can be. feel what they feel. vote what they believe.
on the flip side,
Opportunity - don't take it away.
don't take away the library from the kid that dreams
Don't take away the socialization class that helps get kids to say "hello"
don't take away a research opportunity from the kid that is all-in.
as might the kid that learns a trade develops the next level tools of that trade.
they all might change the world.
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funny on the Netflix / student loans thing - I have a nephew with $100k - he'll be fine, biomed eng from RPI.
likes to ski, so grabbed an epic pass. skiing is expensive, equipment, travel, etc. But ya gotta have something that is yours.
Even when I had loans we traveled and skied. it was in the budget.
Here is what I don't understand,
why are they interest+loans instead of term?
why aren't they 20 year loans?
when they are refinanced, don't they have a term?
are we sticking it to the people that don't understand? or are they just looking at the cheapest alternative?
back to the 2008 big short - hey, it is interest only loan.....
/rant.
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@olegbabich - your perspective is very important to me.
hard to look at it from the inside - you can look at it from outside.
can you comment on non-english news perspectives?
maybe some links to places you like where we can do a translate?
hard to look at it from the inside - you can look at it from outside.
can you comment on non-english news perspectives?
maybe some links to places you like where we can do a translate?
idk about all student loans, but my federal loans were 10 year term(as were my wifes private student loans), in order to get some sort of extension you had to meet certain (very strict from what i recall) requirements, apply and be approved, this was typically in the form of an income based repayment plan. (this is as of 10ish years ago now so things do change)
im not sure why you or anyone else continues to argue this point....everyone is QUITE aware that the base of each party is as devoted as a college football fan and exists solely to see the other team lose.....The other side losing feels better than their own team winning....that is what we are living in....If your desire is to see the two sides be nice to each other again.....I mean I would suggest waking up from that fantasy.
The current administration ran a campaign in swing states based on sheer hatred of trans athletes/people. Having spent some time in a swing state, this platform was strong. It was relentless in the media there. There was literally no other item on the political agenda.
The current administration won those swing states on that platform. The OP you are aggressively responding to has come to the quite logical conclusion that this is pretty fucking disturbing, and the people who voted for the current administration based on that are, by extension, pretty fucking disturbing.
The current administration ran on a platform of exclusion and hate. Perhaps I can grant you that these people can think critically. Let's just assume for the sake of this argument that every single voter in Ohio can think as critically as any of us. The logical conclusion you can easily draw from this is that their logic values minorities, immigrants, the trans community, women, or any non-white person as inferior. There were women in these states openly saying that a woman should never be president.
While this does not categorize every single Ohio conservative, it does swing the pendulum enough such that we are where we are.
Random thinking out loud: I also suspect that you did not grow up in a wealthy area. Let's be clear, I grew up poor. I went to a high school that was pretty much bottom 5% in the state. We had no money. We entertained ourselves by banging rocks together. While a lot of these people are, "My people," I have grown enough to know that "my people" are wrong.
That shit was here too. I had to change the channel when commercials came on during the World Series because I didn't need my kids to see it.
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John the Plumber
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On trans athletes a man after puberty should not play in women's sports. For 1 reason I will use the penn swimmer was about the 200th best man's swimmer and totally crushed ever women collegiate swimmer. Now what the Olympics and UCI does if a man reaches puberty they are NOT allowed to compete in women's sports. Now back to your statement you are absolutely right it was user as a wedge issue. But the political class have to legislate. The far left would think this would be some sort of discrimination, it's not for a job these women have been training all their lives for a scholarship or a chance to be PRO.
I find this interesting as I didn't see this as someone who really has no exposures to commercials. I don't watch regular TV or listen to the radio and apparently not targeted online for ads like this. And during the election I'd see some stuff about it but it didn't present itself as much as issues like immigration. To me it's such a minor issue no matter your side that it's not even worth discussing for a presidential race. It's about as relevant as the presidential candidate's choice of corn or flour tortillas.
So while I'm on board with not allowing transgender people to compete in woman's sports, for me it's truly a WTF when I see the anti-trans stuff coming out now from the administration. So as a person who comes at this with compassion it's hard for me to see that many people are coming at this issue from an entirely different perspective and similar but different trajectory.
I only learned about the Trump ad campaign for that listening to the Pod Save America podcast where they interviewed the 4 people running the Harris campaign and they discussed their stumbling on the response. Did not know how big of a campaign it was on the Trump side. Which I may have mentioned it, was probably one of the best podcasts I've listened to in the last year as it shined a light on what was going on on the Harris side.
I mean this is reality.....we are planning on having south korea build ships for us....I mean shipbuilding.....The same country that once built 9000 war vessels during wwii...we can't even find enough people to build our own warships...and these high paying jobs. My point being....I am highly skeptical of our ability to reshore manufacturing.....We can't even build ships for our navy.
