The Covid effect.

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Dave Taylor said:
Traffic numbers don’t because wfh and these ny transplants taking mass transit i to nyc.
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I just heard on the news this morning on my way to work that the new proposed budget for NJ is $6B more than the state takes in. Just the increase alone is about as much as the entire budget back when Christie was the Governor. Their solution is to tax big companies and businesses more to make up for it. How do you think that's go down in a few years if the plan sticks? They say they won't touch the small Mom&Pop shops but many if not most of those small shops are supported by the employees of those big companies and business. If and when they decide to leave the state all those employees that support the smaller shops will go away. When they tried to close where I work one of the studies they did was on how that would effect the community economically. I don't remember the exact numbers but basically they said schools, hospitals, libraries, supermarkets, and local restaurants will close due to the trickling affect of displacing all those employees and the employees of those schools, hospitals, etc. will be out of a job also.
 
tonyride said:
I just heard on the news this morning on my way to work that the new proposed budget for NJ is $6B more than the state takes in. Just the increase alone is about as much as the entire budget back when Christie was the Governor. Their solution is to tax big companies and businesses more to make up for it. How do you think that's go down in a few years if the plan sticks? They say they won't touch the small Mom&Pop shops but many if not most of those small shops are supported by the employees of those big companies and business. If and when they decide to leave the state all those employees that support the smaller shops will go away. When they tried to close where I work one of the studies they did was on how that would effect the community economically. I don't remember the exact numbers but basically they said schools, hospitals, libraries, supermarkets, and local restaurants will close due to the trickling affect of displacing all those employees and the employees of those schools, hospitals, etc. will be out of a job also.
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are are you asking politicians to use logic and sense to make decisions? 🤣 🤣
 
tonyride said:
I just heard on the news this morning on my way to work that the new proposed budget for NJ is $6B more than the state takes in. Just the increase alone is about as much as the entire budget back when Christie was the Governor.
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Unless I'm completely missing something, the proposed budget is $56B and the last budget was $54.3B for an increase of $1.7B. You're suggesting that the entire entire state budget under Christie was <$1.7B? I seem to recall something like $30B being his "not to exceed" target.

Edit: I'm seeing other citations indicating that the 2024 budget is $53.1B, so potentially change the increase to $2.9B.
 
ebarker9 said:
Unless I'm completely missing something, the proposed budget is $56B and the last budget was $54.3B for an increase of $1.7B. You're suggesting that the entire entire state budget under Christie was <$1.7B? I seem to recall something like $30B being his "not to exceed" target.

Edit: I'm seeing other citations indicating that the 2024 budget is $53.1B, so potentially change the increase to $2.9B.
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Not making excuses but I'm just repeating what I heard and I could have heard it wrong about the numbers. My point here is NJ is using big companies and businesses to support the state's waste of tax payer's money and I'm highlighting the likely affects of that.

Here's an article about it: https://njbiz.com/new-jersey-reacts-to-murphys-55-9b-budget/
 
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shrpshtr325 said:
are are you asking politicians to use logic and sense to make decisions? 🤣 🤣
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Not at all. I'm just pointing out their stupidity and incompetence. Actually I take that back, I don't think Murphy is stupid because he knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is he doesn't care because he's all about a quick immediate gain to be used when he runs for higher office and leaving the mess to the next guy while the residents continue to suffer the consequences.
 
tonyride said:
Not at all. I'm just pointing out their stupidity and incompetence. Actually I take that back, I don't think Murphy is stupid because he knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is he doesn't care because he's all about a quick immediate gain to be used when he runs for higher office and leaving the mess to the next guy while the residents continue to suffer the consequences.
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Well that's all politicians. They should all be limited to one term.
 
tonyride said:
Not making excuses but I'm just repeating what I heard and I could have heard it wrong about the numbers. My point here is NJ is using big companies and businesses to support the state's waste of tax payer's money and I'm highlighting the likely affects of that.
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I don't know the budget numbers either, but the impact on big businesses are very real and they are definitely moving out of the state in search of cheaper costs elsewhere. Ingersoll Rand felt like one of the first (I'm sure there were more prior) and many others have followed. It used to be that if you wanted a smart workforce, you had to put up with the costs of this area. That's becoming less true.
 
rlb said:
My non-scientific observation is that a lot of patterns have changed. For instance, pre-covid you could walk into Costco on a Tuesday afternoon and it would be reasonably empty, so you could get in/out quickly.

These days, it doesn't seem to matter when you go, it's always more crowded than you think it should be. Every time I try to run a mid-day errand people are out in force. IMO, the permanency of WFH for many people has upended the patterns that we use as a benchmark for normal. Yes a move in population is probably also to blame, along with other factors we aren't considering. Point is, shits different now!
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My wife has worked from home since covid started. From 5 days a week to 3 now. She never goes out during the day to run errands. She is actually working all day.
 
Ejd said:
My wife has worked from home since covid started. From 5 days a week to 3 now. She never goes out during the day to run errands. She is actually working all day.
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I'm not doubting most people are working all day. It's pretty easy to do something during your lunch break, whenever you want to take it. Or wind up working more than you need to and flexing some time along the way.
 
rlb said:
I'm not doubting most people are working all day. It's pretty easy to do something during your lunch break, whenever you want to take it. Or wind up working more than you need to and flexing some time along the way.
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This. Shift in traffic patterns to the from the “highways” to the lower order routes, i.e., people doing local trips during the middle part of the day.

There will always be a heavy commute presence in nj, morning and afternoon peak, last year started to show close to pre covid numbers Tues-Thur.
 
tonyride said:
I just heard on the news this morning on my way to work that the new proposed budget for NJ is $6B more than the state takes in. Just the increase alone is about as much as the entire budget back when Christie was the Governor. Their solution is to tax big companies and businesses more to make up for it. How do you think that's go down in a few years if the plan sticks? They say they won't touch the small Mom&Pop shops but many if not most of those small shops are supported by the employees of those big companies and business. If and when they decide to leave the state all those employees that support the smaller shops will go away. When they tried to close where I work one of the studies they did was on how that would effect the community economically. I don't remember the exact numbers but basically they said schools, hospitals, libraries, supermarkets, and local restaurants will close due to the trickling affect of displacing all those employees and the employees of those schools, hospitals, etc. will be out of a job also.
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Where's Melania?

Christie's last proposed budget was $35.5B, but that's not "what many people are saying." Don't ever admit you are galactically wrong.Allentown Dam Samuel W. Frank IMG_20170203_111331.jpg
 
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Pearl said:
My only real constant travel on interstates when I was in NJ was 287, I feel like it was 60-70mph was normal. 80 was pushing it.

Here I find myself doing 90, in my 4runner. and I'm not passing any one... it's insane.
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Don’t forget the easton ave traffic jam
 
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