Tariffs...what to make of them.

For example, the war, the last few years all the talk was about how much more money the Ukraine need to win the war versus now there's more talk about how to end the war? Again, agree or disagree about how Trump goes about it.
So I follow the Ukraine war daily...have been for all 1090 days of this war.

Trump has a simple goal of "ending the war"....stop the dying....Sounds great...Because the dying has been truly unbelievable. But as far as how to do this....Trump, Hegseth, and Vance have been on TV multiple times in the past week and have changed their position with every soundbite.....So really, I have no idea if there is any actual plan. From what I have seen so far...sounds like the plan is to sell Ukraine down the river in order to say "Trump ended the war"

I will say....the one thing thing they have done that I agree with....Straight up telling Europe....you need to spend more on defense. This is 100% accurate. Now do I like that did it in a complete asshole manner? No, not really, but whatever, the message got out.

So we have now totally pissed off Europe...We have also totally pissed off Ukraine by just going around them and talking to Russia. I mean it would be like the US going around England and France in 1940 and trying to cut a deal with Hitler. This "deal" hasnt actually happened yet, so ill reserve judgement until something actually happens.
 
So I follow the Ukraine war daily...have been for all 1090 days of this war.

Trump has a simple goal of "ending the war"....stop the dying....Sounds great...Because the dying has been truly unbelievable. But as far as how to do this....Trump, Hegseth, and Vance have been on TV multiple times in the past week and have changed their position with every soundbite.....So really, I have no idea if there is any actual plan. From what I have seen so far...sounds like the plan is to sell Ukraine down the river in order to say "Trump ended the war"

I will say....the one thing thing they have done that I agree with....Straight up telling Europe....you need to spend more on defense. This is 100% accurate. Now do I like that did it in a complete asshole manner? No, not really, but whatever, the message got out.

So we have now totally pissed off Europe...We have also totally pissed off Ukraine by just going around them and talking to Russia. I mean it would be like the US going around England and France in 1940 and trying to cut a deal with Hitler. This "deal" hasnt actually happened yet, so ill reserve judgement until something actually happens.
Trump has only one goal with the war , that is to give Putin what ever he wants.
 
@Johnny Utah

You linked to it...and its exactly what I have an issue with....THIS is not an audit....This is a bunch quoted phrases....When the originators of these items had to apply for this money....they filled out a WHOLE bunch of paper work to explain what they were asking for...That is what I would like to see....When the IRS asks you to produce records...would they be satisfied with this answer below? I dont think so.
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I think many Trumpers are forgetting something that is important to their bro dozer driving lifestyle.....We as in the USA are 5% of the worlds population and we use approx. 25% of the worlds resources and produce the second most pollution....Brodozers are a good metaphor for the USA....Giant monster truck rolling along, pumping out black smoke, killing 38in tires, getting 8mpg....And hey, whatever, merica, fuck ya......but we NEED the worlds resources to keep this empire fueled...Drill baby drill is a bunch of bullshit....sure if you want to pay $8-$10 a gallon for gas...and we don't produce anywhere NEAR the amount of resources we need. In history, their are only two ways to fuel an empire....either you try and be nice and buy their stuff...or you invade their country and take it. One of the missions of USAID was to keep Russia, now China from hogging all of the worlds resources in a not so invade your country kinda way....We give countries medicine, health care, food, etc.....but we also influence elections and all kinds of other shady things that I have no idea if they are providing us any real benefit.....so rather than finding out what any of these quoted phrases are doing...we just stopped them. So I guess we'll find out if they we're useful.
But it is cool to drive to Rays and the ski mountains every weekend?

Just as bad IMHO.

If one alcoholic drinks five drinks a night and the other ten - they are both still alcoholics
 
Just as bad IMHO.

If one alcoholic drinks five drinks a night and the other ten - they are both still alcoholics
Your missing my point...I KNOW who we are and when I said we, I included myself.....I mean I don't drive a giant truck, but as an american, im part of the group using this 25% of the worlds resources.....I understand that it has to come from somewhere...im not blind to it. I think the majority of Americans like to ignore that fact. I mean do try to not waste stuff...sure, I have no use for a giant truck...but not owning one is me saving my money, not me trying to save the world. Trump and Elon are selling USAID as some free woke hand out....and its not THAT nice and sweet....there is more quid pro quo to it than most Americans would be comfortable admitting. And maybe the political side of USAID wasnt helping? I have not researched it.....but we cut off all medical help to a number of countries....China will move into fill this gap in some way im sure.
 
We have also totally pissed off Ukraine by just going around them and talking to Russia.
I'm not surprised Ukraine is pissed off.
This is what happened to my country, Poland back in 1944. Brits, Russians and USA decided that Poland will be taken care of by USSR. Historically speaking Churchill was agains that but USA said if Stalin wants it he can have it. The British government banned the Polish Armed Forces from taking part in the postwar Victory Parade in London to avoid offending Russia.
 
The "Burn it all to the ground and grow it again" experiment is interesting to watch. I'm hoping we're all wrong and Trump/Musk are right it's the best way, there's no reason to wish it fails as that means were kind of fucked.

But even if they are right, it's extremely painful to watch the two of them do this due to their personalities, especially Musk.
The main problem with that IMO is if it works (however that's measured), it promotes more dickishness in the future. Using dollars cut from the budget as the only measure of success is myopic.
 
I'm not surprised Ukraine is pissed off.
This is what happened to my country, Poland back in 1944. Brits, Russians and USA decided that Poland will be taken care of by USSR. Historically speaking Churchill was agains that but USA said if Stalin wants it he can have it. The British government banned the Polish Armed Forces from taking part in the postwar Victory Parade in London to avoid offending Russia.

Check out the Katyn Forest memorail statue in Jersey City sometime. Putin is the closest thing to Stalin that Russia has had.PXL_20210602_234454937-01.jpeg
 
Your missing my point...I KNOW who we are and when I said we, I included myself.....I mean I don't drive a giant truck, but as an american, im part of the group using this 25% of the worlds resources.....I understand that it has to come from somewhere...im not blind to it. I think the majority of Americans like to ignore that fact. I mean do try to not waste stuff...sure, I have no use for a giant truck...but not owning one is me saving my money, not me trying to save the world. Trump and Elon are selling USAID as some free woke hand out....and its not THAT nice and sweet....there is more quid pro quo to it than most Americans would be comfortable admitting. And maybe the political side of USAID wasnt helping? I have not researched it.....but we cut off all medical help to a number of countries....China will move into fill this gap in some way im sure.
This country is sold on consumption every day, it will be a hard beast to ween it off. I would think tax and inflation will help with this. The easiest way from what I can see is just make things more expensive - but that leads to class separation. That’s a tough sell for any politician.

USAID - from what I am reading this was a tool used to manipulate areas/countries to battle Russian/Chinese interest. Leaving it will definitely allow a vacuum for our competitors to come in. I think Trump and Elon (and many others) feel the government lost control of this entity and it began to independently operate against some US interests in the name of inter agency competition - that’s pretty scary but i am sure it happens more often than not.
 
I'm not surprised Ukraine is pissed off.
This is what happened to my country, Poland back in 1944. Brits, Russians and USA decided that Poland will be taken care of by USSR. Historically speaking Churchill was agains that but USA said if Stalin wants it he can have it. The British government banned the Polish Armed Forces from taking part in the postwar Victory Parade in London to avoid offending Russia.
Absolutely! I think its REALLY important to understand this history to fully understand the war that is happening today. The Brits asked the Poles to stand down and not mobilize as Hitler amassed troops on the Polish boarder...Hoping to not provoke him and that some deal could be made at the last minute. The result was the Polish army was not ready for the invasion. And then of course Stalin and the Russians invade Poland from the east. Poland had no chance...and while this invasion did trigger the west to declare war on Germany...they did absolutely nothing to actually help Poland.

Then as our moron in chief stated the other day about Russia.....""We both reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II"

We did not fight together. Germany attacked Russia, so giving the Russians military supplies was a way to help ourselves. Stalin was MORE than happy to invade Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Romania, and parts of eastern Germany.....Then when the war ended....Hey were just keeping these, thanks! Patton famously said that we should have attacked the Russians after Germany surrendered....its not as crazy of an idea as it might have sounded imo.

What does that have to do with modern day Ukraine? well go ask the older people in these countries how much they loved living under Soviet rule for ~50 years....And as we see in how hard Ukraine is fighting...they will NEVER willingly sign up for doing it again. This is why these countries want to be in NATO...they have been invaded, seen their countries totally destroyed by Russia.

The British government banned the Polish Armed Forces from taking part in the postwar Victory Parade in London to avoid offending Russia.

Truly terrible considering that almost 200,000 Polish soldiers fought for the allies.
 
I will say....the one thing thing they have done that I agree with....Straight up telling Europe....you need to spend more on defense. This is 100% accurate. Now do I like that did it in a complete asshole manner? No, not really, but whatever, the message got out.

So we have now totally pissed off Europe...We have also totally pissed off Ukraine by just going around them and talking to Russia. I mean it would be like the US going around England and France in 1940 and trying to cut a deal with Hitler. This "deal" hasnt actually happened yet, so ill reserve judgement until something actually happens.

You make some fantastic points here.

This is a really deep and fawked situation that I think plays a huge part in some of Trumps politics if you hear me out.

The US agreed to protect Ukraine when we rearmed their nuclear weapons in the 1990’s, in my opinion we are on the hook.

BUT - Ukraine trying to join NATO is a huge issue for Putin. I listened to the interview he did last year with Tucker as well as the Lex Friedman takes - essentially Putin says put someone else in power for Ukraine that is neutral or pro-Putin and the war is over. If the US faced the same with Mexico, Cuba or Canada I think we would be in the same place.

In my opinion Trump does not want to expand NATO, the Biden/Clinton Camp did/does.

If we are going to push Ukraine to join NATO - Europe needs to absorb the costs and cover the weapons. At least the majority, because China is coming.

China has been building their navy - they now have the largest in the world. They have been building their military and nuclear stockpile. Further they have been pushing against western assets for years - USAID battles some of this.

Several outlets, including XI and parts of the US Military have noted we will be at war with China in the next few years - this will include Taiwan. Japan and Korea are rapidly building their military, even Vietnam is starting to play ball with the West as they know China is coming.

Israel, in my opinion, weakened HAMAS and leveled Gaza now as they know if the west is battling China and Europe in deep with Russia, they will be fighting Iran and the Arab States with limited help.

War is expensive - smart weapons go fast. The US is repowering our battleships including the NJ now to lob cheap weapons like 5” and 16” shells again. The drone war is here, they are cheap and many of the countermeasures that we really know about like SAMS are not.

The US needs military person power as well - over the summer our carrier groups went on some of the longest non war time deployments in history - our equipment is getting strained.

We are back to rebuilding our pacific island airfields - fueling the tanks again.

War is looming - it has been.

If Ukraine wants into NATO - Europe needs to be ready to hold Russia at bay while The US, Australia, South Korea and Japan tackle China.

It will be an absolute mess.
 
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@Johnny Utah

You linked to it...and its exactly what I have an issue with....THIS is not an audit....This is a bunch quoted phrases....When the originators of these items had to apply for this money....they filled out a WHOLE bunch of paper work to explain what they were asking for...That is what I would like to see....When the IRS asks you to produce records...would they be satisfied with this answer below? I dont think so.
View attachment 255734

I think many Trumpers are forgetting something that is important to their bro dozer driving lifestyle.....We as in the USA are 5% of the worlds population and we use approx. 25% of the worlds resources and produce the second most pollution....Brodozers are a good metaphor for the USA....Giant monster truck rolling along, pumping out black smoke, killing 38in tires, getting 8mpg....And hey, whatever, merica, fuck ya......but we NEED the worlds resources to keep this empire fueled...Drill baby drill is a bunch of bullshit....sure if you want to pay $8-$10 a gallon for gas...and we don't produce anywhere NEAR the amount of resources we need. In history, their are only two ways to fuel an empire....either you try and be nice and buy their stuff...or you invade their country and take it. One of the missions of USAID was to keep Russia, now China from hogging all of the worlds resources in a not so invade your country kinda way....We give countries medicine, health care, food, etc.....but we also influence elections and all kinds of other shady things that I have no idea if they are providing us any real benefit.....so rather than finding out what any of these quoted phrases are doing...we just stopped them. So I guess we'll find out if they we're useful.
All that money spent and we can't get a million or two for Bike trails in NJ!
 
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