This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

rick81721 said:
Blip? What are talking about? Just explain the data
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Objectively speaking, and I want you to try to be as neutral as you can, how can you explain or correlate any of this with anything? There’s literally no prior data to compare with.

Basically my objective question would be: are the end numbers the same in terms of total vaccinations? Who knows.
 
Norm said:
Objectively speaking, and I want you to try to be as neutral as you can, how can you explain or correlate any of this with anything? There’s literally no prior data to compare with.

Basically my objective question would be: are the end numbers the same in terms of total vaccinations? Who knows.
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The date of the peak is obvious. Your claim is pure coincidence, I say not likely.
 
rick81721 said:
The date of the peak is obvious. Your claim is pure coincidence, I say not likely.
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Not claiming pure coincidence. I’m in the parking lot of a bike festival right now so too much effort to elucidate. Maybe later. Or not. It’s a hypothetical discussion either way. Math.
 
rick81721 said:
The date of the peak is obvious. Your claim is pure coincidence, I say not likely.
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How does that date line up with supply? Those who want it got it as it became available. My SIL wanted the J&J but when that happened they stopped giving them out in VT so she got another.

Personally I think the access of the J&J is a social issue. Logistically j&j is not as difficult to distribute but it isn't as effective as giving just a single shot of the two shot options.

As a conservative you're especially critical of the CDC taking a conservative approach, are you for or against a vaccine mandate for general pop, and military, what factors play into your consideration. Please submit your answer to turnitin.com limited to 1500 words, or 2 pages in apa format including 3 sources, fox sources can be considered first hand experience and self sight.
 
Minimum Wage said:
How does that date line up with supply? Those who want it got it as it became available. My SIL wanted the J&J but when that happened they stopped giving them out in VT so she got another.

Personally I think the access of the J&J is a social issue. Logistically j&j is not as difficult to distribute but it isn't as effective as giving just a single shot of the two shot options.

As a conservative you're especially critical of the CDC taking a conservative approach, are you for or against a vaccine mandate for general pop, and military, what factors play into your consideration. Please submit your answer to turnitin.com limited to 1500 words, or 2 pages in apa format including 3 sources, fox sources can be considered first hand experience and self sight.
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There was plenty of supply by then - that's why daily vaccinations were increasing every day - the peak was over 3,300,000 vaccinations in one day. I thought it was idiotic to pause a vaccine that they knew was safe - it only took them 2 weeks to "unpause". They could have looked into the data without the publicity - huge PR mistake.

I have no issue with vaccine mandates for everybody.
 
Norm said:
Not claiming pure coincidence. I’m in the parking lot of a bike festival right now so too much effort to elucidate. Maybe later. Or not. It’s a hypothetical discussion either way. Math.
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Well it's either coincidence or causal.

Let's try this:

You work on computer programs, right? Let's say you developed a system that after launch had user growth that matched the US vaccination graph. And on April 13, you launched a major change to said system. The day after, usage dropped and continued to drop going forward. Would you just say to your bosses, "eh our change had nothing to do with the precipitous drop in usage."?? That wouldn't fly in the corporate world I lived in - in fact, I would have to jump through hoops to prove conclusively that the software change wasn't the cause.
 
rick81721 said:
Well it's either coincidence or causal.

Let's try this:

You work on computer programs, right? Let's say you developed a system that after launch had user growth that matched the US vaccination graph. And on April 13, you launched a major change to said system. The day after, usage dropped and continued to drop going forward. Would you just say to your bosses, "eh our change had nothing to do with the precipitous drop in usage."?? That wouldn't fly in the corporate world I lived in - in fact, I would have to jump through hoops to prove conclusively that the software change wasn't the cause.
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Your example reminds me of when I changed the oil in my car and the next day it ran horribly. My wife was convinced I screwed something up, turns out it it was an ignition coil, but she still thinks it was me, she can’t fathom that was coincidence. The software example is over simplified, in this case the pause wasn’t the only thing/variable happening at the time, media was reporting issues and concerns regarding JJ, which had more Impact? Hard to say, media probably drove the pause, and the antivaxers are more likely to be influenced by media than gov. A government perspective might have been, not pausing could cause distrust in the review process possibly more than a pause.
 
1TrackMind said:
media was reporting issues and concerns regarding JJ, which had more Impact? Hard to say, media probably drove the pause, and the antivaxers are more likely to be influenced by media than gov. A government perspective might have been, not pausing could cause distrust in the review process possibly more than a pause.
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Oil change was a terrible analogy and in no way related. To your point above, media coverage exploded when J&J was paused.
 
It’s the point that two things happen with no relation to one another, correlation not equal to causation, but the less one understands about a system the more likely they are to fall for a simple time correlation. I don’t have the timeline but my relocation was media coverage came first.
 
1TrackMind said:
It’s the point that two things happen with no relation to one another, correlation not equal to causation, but the less one understands about a system the more likely they are to fall for a simple time correlation. I don’t have the timeline but my relocation was media coverage came first.
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Right because the number of people getting vaccines suddenly dropping off the day after a major announcement about vaccine safety had nothing to do with said announcement. 🙄
 
Florida 7DMA new dead ⚰️= 8.5x NY state per worldometers. Why?

1. Verbally minimizing the virus 🦠 is ineffective.
2. State government policies that prohibited mitigation such as masking, is not helping.
3. Plethora of anti vax idiots puts a gleam in the eye of the virus.

But, maybe @SNOWFAK3 can enlighten us?
 
thegock said:
Florida 7DMA new dead ⚰️= 8.5x NY state per worldometers. Why?

1. Verbally minimizing the virus 🦠 is ineffective.
2. State government policies that prohibited mitigation such as masking, is not helping.
3. Plethora of anti vax idiots puts a gleam in the eye of the virus.

But, maybe @SNOWFAK3 can enlighten us?
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I think that is a miss Tom.
My no-vax fuck-it Florida cousin says people are moving to the State because of the government policies that let people make the choice of wearing a mask or getting vaccinated.

The government policy reflects the will of the people. Part of that is not preaching. I don't think the gov is disseminating misinformation. Just not droning on about what the CDC says is best practices at the moment.

Speaking of wills...
 
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rick81721 said:
Right because the number of people getting vaccines suddenly dropping off the day after a major announcement about vaccine safety had nothing to do with said announcement. 🙄
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Point to the sudden drop it looks like it had dropped at the same rate as it went up like it reached saturation and had started to wind down as there are no longer eligible/willing candidates also there was a bump after j&j was brought back so that population to some extent still got it while others took other opportunities

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