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bonefishjake said:
running?? whoa.

do yourself a huge favor and transition to a mid foot strike as opposed to landing on your heels. it will take probably two weeks to really get used to but it should eliminate the knee/hip/back pain. your results may vary, but lets face it, you're not 130lb runner guy and, well, gravity.
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Gotta second this - huge proponent of Midfoot strike and minimal drop/minimalist shoes.

Also if you have knee/joint pain - trail running will greatly reduce that. As well as greatly increase the joy of running.

I'm always up to run at places like Watchung, Round Valley and Sourlands if you ever want company.
 
8 Year Olds That Run

STB Kevin, normally I would agree with you and as it pertains to Julia, yes this is true that it's just easy to run with her because it's half jog and half walk. But to say that 8 year old kids are slow does not actually pass muster in this house. By far, Zac the 8 year old is the fastest runner in our house. He did the 5k this weekend and came in 9th overall. Not 9th in kids. 9th overall, including adults.

I checked Eric O's Strava profile and found the last time he ran. Obviously it was not his best effort but he was doing 6:52 as his best pace. Zac did the 5k at roughly a 7:00 pace. He did 3.1 miles in 22 minutes. And the kid is tall & lanky and runs like he is being chased by a monster. In other words, totally inefficient. If he tightened up his form and ran more than once a year, he'd be well into the 6s.

Anyway, he will soon be 8 feet tall and running won't be so easy. But right now, the kid is as fast as pretty much anyone here, no joke.

But yes, point taken on Julia. Though as you mention, I won't be at the pointy end so it's all roses and pretty sunsets when you go slow enough.

Mid Foot Strike, The Experiment

Before I went for a run, I found this and watched it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J-7beA-daw

It makes sense. So I tried it. It sucks, totally unnatural and things just hurt in different ways, not any less, and some more.

So I went home, and found science:
http://running.competitor.com/2014/...-it-harmful-to-heel-strike-when-running_95678

As I suspected, zero evidence that a mid foot strike gives you any benefit at all. From what I put together in my head, if I were running a 6:30 mile or less it would maybe make sense. But I'm at like 9:00 miles, so it's really a non-issue. At best I'm going to get up to an 8:00 mile, maybe 7:00 if I'm being chased by a monster.

Of course today things hurt like hell. I wish I would have read that link before I tried it but at least I tried. I'll go back to heel strike in a few days when it doesn't hurt to walk.

Bikes

I rode my bike before I ran yesterday. I guess they call that a brick, even though I took some time in between. I usually think of the words "shit" and "house" when I hear the word "brick".

I did an hour loop just under 20-ish. The plan called for microbursts but I did not feel like it. Plus I currently have no power on any bike. So screw it, I just rode my bike.

The chainring bolts came in, I'll put them on today and have the God Bike back together.

I still need someone to name my road bike. I don't like crap like "The Destroyer" or "Betty the Ride" and crap like that. I feel like Can 'O Beans was my best name. I usually use word association to get there. What does this bike mean to me? Free thoughts here...

...replacement Evo....replacement super 6....the replacements, super 6....the replacements, super 8, motel 6...Paul 86. No, Paul 86 sucks.

Replacement - makes me think of The Replacements, of which one of my favorite songs is Skyway. Skyway 6.

Wynona's Big Brown Beaver? Man that's a weird song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg

Or maybe just Steve. Bert.
 
I dont think a midfoot strike necessarily makes you any faster..maybe just on uphills where the shorter stride becomes more efficient, BUT it definitely helps with running injuries. I had shin splints and and IT band injury before switching to super minimalist shoes. it was a tough changover and ive come to ha happy medium now with low drop shoes with some cushion, but i have been running injury free for years now.

faster? maybe not. better for your body? in my experience, yes.
 
BBB is a really good tune. definitely weird but to be expected considering the source.

frunobulax.
 
axcxnj said:
BUT it definitely helps with running injuries.
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From the article:

"Although appealing, the belief that switching to a mid or forefoot contact point will alter injury rates and improve efficiency has never been proven. Research evaluating injury rates associated with different contact points in more than 1600 runners has shown no difference in the incidence of running-related injuries between rearfoot and forefoot strikers (1-3)."

If it works for you (the general you) that's cool. But there doesn't seem to be any actual body of evidence supporting the anecdotal evidence. At this stage, I'm fairly sure I won't be running enough for it to make any difference. And again, my speed (or lacl thereof) sort of renders the conversation moot.
 
Interesting not about the 8 year old boy. My son will be 8 in February and I can't see him running with any kinda of endurance. Sounds like you need to get him on the ultra distance track so he can run 100 mile races by the time he exploring himself in his 20's. That assume he isn't burnt out by the time he is 18, but thats not your worry because he will be an adult then.

I think the mid foot strike is what makes this one guys I see running look awkward when he runs. The dudes runs fast as hell anytime I see him.
 
Norm said:
At this stage, I'm fairly sure I won't be running enough for it to make any difference.
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thats a really good point. I know that all of my injuries i had generated from the amount that i was running. if youre running less, youre far less likely to get an injury from steady use.

I will run between 10 and 20 miles a week. its not a ton, but enough that i need to pay attention to what my legs and joints are telling me and feed that back into how i decide to run.
 
vlkslvr said:
Gotta second this - huge proponent of Midfoot strike and minimal drop/minimalist shoes.

Also if you have knee/joint pain - trail running will greatly reduce that. As well as greatly increase the joy of running.

I'm always up to run at places like Watchung, Round Valley and Sourlands if you ever want company.
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Shoes are dependent on where you are running - as most of my running is at the sourlands I have trail running shoes with more support, traction and protection against rocks. Agree about reduction in knee/joint stress/pain but the double-edge sword is running at tech places like the sourlands increases the incidence of ankle turns/sprains and face-plants
 
Norm said:
From the article:

"Although appealing, the belief that switching to a mid or forefoot contact point will alter injury rates and improve efficiency has never been proven. Research evaluating injury rates associated with different contact points in more than 1600 runners has shown no difference in the incidence of running-related injuries between rearfoot and forefoot strikers (1-3)."

If it works for you (the general you) that's cool. But there doesn't seem to be any actual body of evidence supporting the anecdotal evidence. At this stage, I'm fairly sure I won't be running enough for it to make any difference. And again, my speed (or lacl thereof) sort of renders the conversation moot.
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i'm not a fast runner by any means...if i feel 'good' i'll cruise along at about an 8:30 mile. sure, i can push myself into the 7s but that's pretty rare. running for me is a time affair. if i have 35-40 minutes, i'll run. otherwise, i'm riding. but anyway..

granted, i run a lot more than you, but since i switched i've had no knee or hip pain. like zero. if you run anything like the way i used to, with your feet slapping the ground like a couple of dead fish, then you really ought to give it another chance.

and by the way, just going out switching your strike for an entire run is a BAD idea and i'm not slightly surprised that you're sore in different places. i changed my stride over the course of like two weeks, gradually working up to the point where i could do multiple miles.

that said, if you are going to continue the dead fish slap, buy a pair of these and run on pillows:
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yes, super-kush shoes is a category now too.
 
Minimalist shoes killed my feet, fallen arches, etc. If running barefoot/minimal was any good, Vibram wouldnt be buying back all the shoes they sold.
 
Norm this was a good writing job and not anything to do with you using the BG pseudonym.
The only potential issue I see with this name btw is are you going to want to have posts that say "I rode on Bob Glick for 2 hours today and felt great..."
Just sayin' 😛
 
walter said:
Minimalist shoes killed my feet, fallen arches, etc. If running barefoot/minimal was any good, Vibram wouldnt be buying back all the shoes they sold.
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nah, vibram got sued for making the worlds ugliest shoes.... those hideous toe sneaker things..
 
pearl said:
did you take a picture of your monitor, send it to the local newspaper, have them print and send it to you, and then take a picture of that photo?
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Ha, that was clever but you could have added a few more to make it very funny.
 
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